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Posted: 07/12/2012 16:22:14
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http://www.bristol.ac.uk/centenary/look/cabinet/helmet.html

http://www.shurdington.org/gharmirdum/Photos/HelmetLamp.jpg

.. especially the chinstrap on the first one!

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Posted: 07/12/2012 17:39:45
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Ahh... the joys of a mushy and a Premier. Happy days !! Laugh

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Posted: 07/12/2012 18:33:33
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derrickman wrote:

http://www.bristol.ac.uk/centenary/look/cabinet/helmet.html

http://www.shurdington.org/gharmirdum/Photos/HelmetLamp.jpg

.. especially the chinstrap on the first one!


Slightly more comfortable than baler twine!

Don't believe the lamp cost 3 pence if the helmet was 3 shillings. Perhaps they mean the lamp bracket cost 3d over the price of the plain helmet.

And they can't spell Acetylene.
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Posted: 07/12/2012 19:47:30
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Trewillan wrote:

derrickman wrote:

http://www.bristol.ac.uk/centenary/look/cabinet/helmet.html

http://www.shurdington.org/gharmirdum/Photos/HelmetLamp.jpg

.. especially the chinstrap on the first one!


Slightly more comfortable than baler twine!

Don't believe the lamp cost 3 pence if the helmet was 3 shillings. Perhaps they mean the lamp bracket cost 3d over the price of the plain helmet.

And they can't spell Acetylene.


Premier was 19/6d in Joseph Bryants (Bristol) around 1962. Came with spring clip for fibre helmet, seem to remember also had hook clip.
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Posted: 07/12/2012 20:23:41
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Morlock wrote:

Trewillan wrote:

derrickman wrote:

http://www.bristol.ac.uk/centenary/look/cabinet/helmet.html

http://www.shurdington.org/gharmirdum/Photos/HelmetLamp.jpg

.. especially the chinstrap on the first one!


Slightly more comfortable than baler twine!

Don't believe the lamp cost 3 pence if the helmet was 3 shillings. Perhaps they mean the lamp bracket cost 3d over the price of the plain helmet.

And they can't spell Acetylene.


Premier was 19/6d in Joseph Bryants (Bristol) around 1962. Came with spring clip for fibre helmet, seem to remember also had hook clip.


possible they're wrong about the helmet as well, looks like a Huwood to me

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Posted: 07/12/2012 23:37:40
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Premier was 19/6d in Joseph Bryants (Bristol) around 1962.

possible they're wrong about the helmet as well, looks like a Huwood to me



19/6d sounds more like it.

What are the detail differences that make you think its a Huwood helmet rather than a Protector?
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Posted: 08/12/2012 04:50:28
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must admit that I never learnt to tell the difference between the various fibre hard hats. The club I then belonged to ( 4C's in Cambridge ) had a sack of them which had been obtained very cheaply at a street market army-surplus dealer ( the NCB was discarding them wholesale in the 60s ) and it was a matter of grabbing one that fitted!

One member had a US-style Comfo-Cap ( a low-crown fibreglass unit made for American coal miners ) which was much admired. The Tex-o-Lex round-crown ones with the tiny triangular peak were also much sought after.

I've never seen a hook-mount acetylene lamp outside a museum.

amazing what you can find in the internet http://www.bec-cave.org.uk/index.php/publications-mainmenu-32/caving-reports-mainmenu-34/980-caving-report-5


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Posted: 08/12/2012 09:21:35
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I see the claim here http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=12192.0 that the Caving Supplies helmet was/is a variant of the Edelrid UltraLite - is this true?

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Posted: 08/12/2012 16:38:37
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derrickman wrote:

I see the claim here http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=12192.0 that the Caving Supplies helmet was/is a variant of the Edelrid UltraLite - is this true?


Possibly. CS helmet would just be a commercially available helmet, with lamp bracket and chinstrap added? I'm sure shells could have been ordered in quantity without the original makers name.
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Posted: 08/12/2012 18:38:03
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somersetminer wrote:


Premier was 19/6d in Joseph Bryants (Bristol) around 1962.

possible they're wrong about the helmet as well, looks like a Huwood to me



19/6d sounds more like it.

What are the detail differences that make you think its a Huwood helmet rather than a Protector?


just a guess fair enough I have not seen Protectors up close but seen quite a few Huwoods!
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Posted: 08/12/2012 19:47:13
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somersetminer wrote:

Trewillan wrote:

somersetminer wrote:


Premier was 19/6d in Joseph Bryants (Bristol) around 1962.

possible they're wrong about the helmet as well, looks like a Huwood to me



19/6d sounds more like it.

What are the detail differences that make you think its a Huwood helmet rather than a Protector?


just a guess fair enough I have not seen Protectors up close but seen quite a few Huwoods!


I'm disappointed! I thought you were going to hit me with rivet head diameters, lamp bracket corner radiuses, shades of grey, etc.
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Posted: 08/12/2012 19:54:52
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Trewillan wrote:

somersetminer wrote:

Trewillan wrote:

somersetminer wrote:


Premier was 19/6d in Joseph Bryants (Bristol) around 1962.

possible they're wrong about the helmet as well, looks like a Huwood to me



19/6d sounds more like it.

What are the detail differences that make you think its a Huwood helmet rather than a Protector?


just a guess fair enough I have not seen Protectors up close but seen quite a few Huwoods!


I'm disappointed! I thought you were going to hit me with rivet head diameters, lamp bracket corner radiuses, shades of grey, etc.


sorry to disappoint, ask a coal miner! the paper helmets wern't popular down here, texolex/MSA/fibre resin on the other hand...
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Posted: 09/12/2012 00:21:59
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May not have been popular, but I'm sure Tyacks ironmongers had them in stock. Many years ago. IP: 87.112.244.80
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Posted: 09/12/2012 09:39:01
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derrickman wrote:

I see the claim here http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=12192.0 that the Caving Supplies helmet was/is a variant of the Edelrid UltraLite - is this true?


I belive so, Phil Brown did once tell me that the shells were the same as another commercial make but he'd put his own cradles in them, couldn't remember what that other make was until I saw this.....

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Posted: 09/12/2012 11:36:35
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I have an ex-Geevor fibre helmet in my loft.

photo here http://www.bbc.co.uk/nationonfilm/topics/tin-mining/background_clip_commentary.shtml of what is claimed to be Cornish miners, I see they are wearing various hard hats and a mix of electric and carbide lamps. No date or provenance given.

This one http://www.bbc.co.uk/nationonfilm/topics/tin-mining/background_conditions.shtml shows miners wearing stiffened felt hats and carbide lamps, but the epaulettes on both mens' coats suggests early post-WW2 period?

Painting here http://cassandralegacy.blogspot.com/2012_02_01_archive.html dated as 1939, I see both men are carrying gas mask bags - presumably WW1 surplus - and one seems to have a thermos flask.

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Posted: 10/12/2012 20:39:23
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Next time you are down in the Wild West, pop into the Radjel Inn, Pendeen - there is a hook mount lamp hanging behind the bar. I'll buy you a drink if I'm in! IP: 188.223.187.146
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Posted: 11/12/2012 00:48:08
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Trewillan wrote:

May not have been popular, but I'm sure Tyacks ironmongers had them in stock. Many years ago.


They certainly sold a particular type of bucket Blush


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Posted: 11/12/2012 09:02:30
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Roy Morton wrote:

Trewillan wrote:

May not have been popular, but I'm sure Tyacks ironmongers had them in stock. Many years ago.


They certainly sold a particular type of bucket Blush


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