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LAP

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Posted: 31/08/2007 17:18:46
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Hello all!
Does anyone on this website still use analogue/film cameras for underground photography. Have you found digital has sharper quality images or the other way round?

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Posted: 31/08/2007 17:32:42
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Whilst mobile phones, radios, and music can be analogue, I dont think cameras can be! IP: 89.241.253.254
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Posted: 01/09/2007 08:09:41
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Up untill about 3 years ago I used a basic familly type camera for over and underground. Then used a basic 3mp digital camera. That is why my underground photos are so c>ap.
I am fascinated with the quality of recent underground photos on this website which are brilliant.
How do you get such super photos of large underground caverns? What is the method used?
I now use an 8mp HP R927 geneal use camera which I find takes good close up pictures, but admit to have not tried it underground.

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Posted: 02/09/2007 12:06:58
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I gave up on film pretty much altogether once I got a digital SLR. Digital is so muh cheaper and especially underground, you can tell straight away if you've got something reasonable or need to do it again.
Still take the odd BW film abave ground cos I like hand printing (and I think a decent b/w print is far better than anything I've managed to get from digital yet) but that's it.
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Posted: 02/09/2007 12:42:09
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I know a chap who used to until very recently, but he's since moved to a DSLR.

Would like to give it a go one day myself, but my film SLR is a bit nice to feed to the mine monster. Might try to pick something cheap up on ebay and give it a go Smile

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Posted: 03/09/2007 10:11:44
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All my underground (and above) stuff I've posted here and on Miles' site were done using a variety of 35mm SLRs - digital was not available in those distant days. I used a combination of a Metz hammer type flashgun with separate battery pack and for some light painting a 40Watt car spotlamp and a well protected motor cycle battery.

The last time I did any film undergound was in 2003 with an Olympus OM10 - it's a dar good camera and you can pick them up for a song on ebay - make sure you get a manual adaptor with it.


Time for photography was usually short, so the elaborate set pieces some people like were simply not possible. If only we'd had the digital stuff like there is now then.....

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Posted: 03/09/2007 13:54:26
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I took some with a 35mm SLR years ago, but the results were poor. I still wouldn't mind trying again. With that in mind I've got a battered Yashica FX3, that would be no great loss. This is a Mechanical/manual so only needs batteries for the light meter, which doesn't work and would be redundant underground anyway. I'm quite a fan of mechanical cameras after I watched a friend drop her Minolta in the plunge pool at Aber Falls and it worked for years afterwards. The old Pentax K100 was worth a look. IP: 217.155.53.153
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Posted: 03/09/2007 15:07:17
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The 1977 photos in the Maen Offeren Archive album were taken with a Kodak "Instamatic" camera. I deliberately put B&W film in as I knew I possibly only have just one chance to get these photos and reckoned it would be better to have some B&W photos rather than take colour and get nothing. Although having said that I did get a couple of colour shots U/G at Rhosydd (far end of Adit 9) in 1978. IP: 89.241.240.104
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Posted: 04/09/2007 16:32:01
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Thanks folks!
I used a 1980s minox camera (quite small) in the coppermines the other day. It has little exposure, but has a hotshoe so I just used a basic flashgun for lighting. I'll uplod when developed.


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Posted: 04/09/2007 18:40:32
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I forgot to say, the Instamatic used flashcubes!

It's a wonder they came out at all.

I didn't get a 35mm (not an SLR) until 1983.
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Posted: 04/09/2007 18:51:07
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LAP, what camera gear and lighting are you using at the moment? IP: 86.140.230.66
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Posted: 04/09/2007 19:07:29
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In digital: finepix f650.. not ideal. Two ordinary flashes, LED lights, a 1,000,000 candle power search light, two smaller search lights.
For analogue: a 1960s and a 1980s nikon of my dad's, both very good quality, great lenses etc...
A 1980s minox, a more modern Nikon - though the shutter isn't working (Nikon f-801).
And occasionally a MV500 canon video camera, + a underwater camera, which I haven't yet used underground, though Iwill next time a go to a mine with flooded stopes or whatever.


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Posted: 30/12/2007 22:35:30
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ive used a fujica stx1n for years with 200mm telephoto lens till i bought a sony cybershot dsc-t5 but it wasnt great underground but ive just splashed out on a dslr fujifilm finepix s8000fd so im hoping i can get great pics with it,guess ill be ebaying the old fujica and lenses now.
i got a 3.5 million candlepower lamp from b&q for £14 it blasts a beam from one end of the ballroom to the other spoiling photos would it be an idea to find a cover to difuse the beam as its an astounding lamp apart from that.

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Posted: 31/12/2007 16:06:24
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bograt wrote:

it blasts a beam from one end of the ballroom to the other spoiling photos would it be an idea to find a cover to difuse the beam as its an astounding lamp apart from that.


A diffuser would be a good idea, unless you can 'lose' the spot at the end of the beam down a tunnel.
Diffusers have been discussed briefly elsewhere, however, a simple useful alternative is greaseproof or tracing paper over the lens of the lamp. If its a halogen lamp, some tinkering with photoshop will get rid of the yellow tinge.

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Posted: 31/12/2007 17:32:25
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I've used a teeshirt as a diffuser in the past - seemed to work quite well...

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Posted: 31/12/2007 17:35:58
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aye its a halogen it gets that hot i can warm my cup of tea on it,but its quite a heavy lump its like having a spare oldham lamp in my rucksack,would be nice to get one of those light cannon things but at those prices its way out of my range.

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Posted: 31/12/2007 17:43:11
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A Fenix P3D might be the answer to your problem, although it's not as powerful as a Light Cannon. Have a look at the Excellent Stuff link at bottom left.

The P3D is a great bit of kit for a few reasons: firstly it's hellish powerful for finding your way around in the dark, yet it's a very compact torch. Secondly, it's waterproof and very well made: it thus makes a perfect backup torch in case something happens to your main light. It's also great at illuminating photos - I've used mine in some big slate chambers and the results are astounding. The really clever thing is that it'll fit in a pocket!

The only downside is that it uses CR123A batteries at a fair old rate - but that's to be expected given the output. With rechargeables the costs will be pretty small and if you need more than 1.5 hours of blinding output on a trip just get some spare batteries!

I've actually retired my million candlepower torch now I've got a Fenix - although the Fenix isn't quite as bright, it's a damn sight more usable and a lot more versatile.


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Posted: 01/01/2008 08:57:10
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Vanoord,
Which would you recommend then, the plain or dimpled reflector?

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Posted: 01/01/2008 11:38:29
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I always used an Olympus OM1 with a variety of flashes usually connected to the camera FP socket with a made up lead. I would set the self timer so as to be able to include myself in the frame, as without a figure a lot of underground pictures lack a sense of scale. I am well known for working and exploring solo, and carried a variety of bits and pieces to support this practice. I used Kodacolour Gold 400 up to the very last, most pictures being taken with a 28mm lens. I have seen huge advances in the quality of colour print film over the years, as you may well believe. My biggest regrets are that I did not take up photography earlier in life. I bought a new Brownie 127 about 1957, but used it little. I still have it, mint condition in original box.
I went digital early 2006 and purchased a Fujifilm S9500. My choice was due to the built in 28mm to 300mm focal length equivalent zoom, the robust construction, and the other features. Having no lens to remove as in the digital SLR cameras keeps the dust out, this is my opinion. It is quite a large camera compared to others, but has stood the course underground being dropped onto a rock pile in Brownley Hill and having water dripping onto it in Temple mine. It has an external flash socket, essential for me, a self timer up to 10 seconds, gives me all the time in the world to get into position, and shutter speeds up to 30 seconds open. I have just found ways to take advantage of this being able to fire multiple flashes from a single unit and move around in the dark with caplamp off without printing to the frame.
To answer questions; yes the pictures are much sharper and of better quality than with the film camera.
Now here is a thread. I have explored mines all over the country but have never been in a purple mine. Sorry, maybe its my eyes, but a lot of the other peoples photos although of very high quality have purple casts, my Fuji does not do this, and the white balance is at default settings
Opinions?


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Posted: 01/01/2008 16:06:03
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That's a good point about dust and DSLRs and you don't even have to remove the lens. Changing the zoom can allow specs to enter. I've got a speck in mine at the moment and I'm a bit wary about removing it although I have a blower. IP: 88.105.160.223
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