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Posted: 09/11/2009 11:06:56
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The Guibal fan is named after the Belgian engineer that invented it and I tend to pronounce it 'geebal' with a hard 'g'. In the 1850's a much better way of ventilating collieries was sought instead of using furnaces and Guibal's invention was the most successful in the 1860's and 70's. Other mechanical ventilator inventions varied from the less successful to the downright weird but led to the development of more refined and effective devices in later years.

However, furnace ventilation in some places lasted well into the twentieth century; a Guibal fan remained at Cannock West (?) Colliery until about 1969 because its single-cylinder engine was preserved and is now at Beamish Museum. The last Guibal fan I know of in Britain remained out of use at Hartington Colliery until scrapped about 1986.
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Posted: 09/11/2009 13:30:17
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The Pittston steam engine that drove the Guilbal fan at Dorrance.



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Posted: 09/11/2009 13:54:10
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Cheers, I've learnt something today anyway Thumb Up IP: 91.143.72.42
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Posted: 09/11/2009 14:31:15
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A few more fans - I'm sure I've got something on Guibals somewhere!

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Posted: 09/11/2009 14:44:10
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A Guibal fan was used in the Severn Tunnel - if anyone fancies wasting 10 minutes reading a fascinating history, click this here [web link] Wink

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Posted: 09/11/2009 16:36:37
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One more. Smile

The aerovane fan illustrates the evolution of mine ventilation in the United States during the first half of the twentieth century. It is an example of an axial flow fan. These fans generally replaced centrifugal fans for mine ventilation because of their small size and their ability to produce high air pressure at slower speeds. These improvements enabled these fans to provide improved mine ventilation and improve health and safety of mine workers. This aerovane fan, typical of mine ventilation fan designs of its period, was patented by Theodore L. Troller.



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Posted: 09/11/2009 18:59:41
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Some nice pics Carnkie/Grahami. Smile

simonrail wrote:

The last Guibal fan I know of in Britain remained out of use at Hartington Colliery until scrapped about 1986.


From the Pic & FlashEarth link in the first post I assumed the last fan was at the Severn Tunnel?

Another good write up on the tunnel here, (several pages long).

http://www.greatwestern.org.uk/severn1.htm

The only bit that's missing is the longitudinal plan.



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Posted: 09/11/2009 23:56:36
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The British Transport vid arrived today, very interesting bit on the Severn Tunnel including a fair bit of footage on the beam engines/pumps, also a little bit on the fan. Smile

Edit: The fan appears to be a "Walker Indestructible", must have been the second fan when the film was made.

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Posted: 10/11/2009 18:54:21
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There were a number of shafts to the Severn Tunnel so there may have been more than one fan working - or on standby - concurrently. I only have details for the Monmouthshire side, where there were two shafts, one for two 50 inch Bull pumping engines by Harvey of Hayle, 1878 (both preserved), and the other for six 70 inch Cornish pumping engines by Harvey of Hayle, 1887 (beam of one preserved). Whether there were fans and fan engines at one or both these Monmouthshire shafts I'm afraid I do not know. IP: 92.28.191.31
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Posted: 10/11/2009 20:15:17
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The GWR archive seems to indicate 3 shafts at Sudbrook?

" In addition, a further shaft was to be sunk adjacent to the Old and Iron Shafts at Sudbrook and two shafts were to be sunk west of the Great Spring at a point called 5 miles 4 chains".

I have a section plan of the tunnel somewhere with all the shafts and drainage headings but where is the problem.

Edit: A bit on the Great Spring water source.

http://www.ubss.org.uk/resources/proceedings/vol12/UBSS_Proc_12_2_203-212.pdf

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Posted: 10/11/2009 22:18:39
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I visited Sudbrook in April 1998 and hopefully it hasn't changed a great deal. At that time the enormous engine house for the 6 70 inch engines still contained a few small relics of them (nameplates etc.) and contained the 29 feet dia. shaft for the Great Spring which is still pumped (No.1).
No.2 shaft (the Iron Pit) had placed over it the two Bull engines, and a 75 inch Cornish, but only the engine house survived.
No.3 shaft had a 70 inch Cornish, again only the engine house surviving.
A shaft directly in line with the disused Walker fan was used for ventilation but was equipped with 4 modern and much smaller fans.
Apparently the original shaft was infilled, and there had been at one time 24 Lancashire boilers on site!
One of the shafts was equipped with a lift so we visited the tunnel level (not allowed inside) then went lower to the drain from the bottom of the tunnel, total depth about 200 feet.
Thinking back, they had some nice pictures of Sudbrook in its heyday on display, and we got to see the video mentioned above.
I got the impression that Sudbrook had the only ventilating fan for the tunnel.
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Posted: 10/11/2009 22:41:03
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Thanks Simonrail, that about sums it all up. The new fanhouse is clearly visible on Flashearth.

http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=51.583231&lon=-2.712653&z=19.9&r=335&src=msl

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Posted: 11/11/2009 00:26:45
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Also thanks to Simonrail for that information. I had overlooked the 75 inch Cornish pumping engine by Harvey of Hayle 1880.

To complete the list, there were four engines temporarily installed in 1883, which are of interest being second hand mine pumping engines:

70 inch from Wheal Prussia: built 1852 by St.Austel Foundry for South Crenver; moved to Wheal Sparnon 1864; moved to Prussia & Cardew United 1880-81 and fitted with a new beam by Hocking.

60 inch from Wheal Uny: built as 50 inch by St. Austel Foundry 1853 for Wheal Tristern; moved to Tywarnhaile Mine 1860; rebuilt as 60 inch in 1869; started at Wheal Uny 1874.

70 inch from Pool (or Pwll) Colliery, Llanelli, Carmarthenshire: built 1865 for that colliery; I may have a note on its builder somewhere but can't put my hand on it. Quite possibly Harvey of Hayle as the mine owners, Mason & Elington, favoured Harvey, having bought 45 inch and a 50 inch in 1870 for some of their other collieries, and being primarily copper smelters.

plus a fourth, about which Barton gives no details - can any one fill this gap in information? As it was second hand it was very likely from a mine and so might be of interest to aditnow.

These four were apparently not all disposed of after the six new 70 inch engines were started in 1887, as one 70 inch was kept at No.3 engine house. Besides the two Bull 50 inch and the 75 inch and the six new 70 inch, there were also as part of the permanent pumping plant: at Five Miles Four Chains Station, two 65 inch engines by Harvey of Hayle 1886, and at Sea Wall Station two 41 inch engines by Harvey of Hayle, making 14 permanent pumping engines that could pump 34 million gallons a day although 8 engines usually sufficed.

References:

D.B.Barton 'The Cornish Beam Engine', Truro: Barton, 1969, esp. pp.61, 62 (where the sale of the Wheal Uny engine in 1883 is misprinted as 1893), 263-4, p.281.

G.Watkins 'The Stationary Steam Engines of Great Britaibn: the National Photographic Collection: vol.4: Wales, Cheshire & Shropshire', Ashbourne: Landmark, 2002, pp.144-149.

D.E.Bick 'The Beam Engine House in Wales', pp.84-93 in Industrial Archaeology Review vol.12, no.1, 1989, esp. p.87.

W.J.Sievewright 'Civil Engineering Heritage: Wales and Western England', London: Telford, 1986, pp.103, 105.



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Posted: 11/11/2009 19:15:54
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There was another fanhouse for a Guibal fan about 30 feet dia. and that was near Cwmbran in S. Wales. It was at ST 2688 9694 adjacent to a picnic area, but I suspect it was demolished about 1990.

Parked on that site overnight in 1988 in my 6 month old Montego Estate, I was made to feel welcome by a local person bouncing a large rock off the side at 2.30 am.

No, I didn't demolish the fanhouse in reprisal, but somehow have never been inclined to return.
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Posted: 11/11/2009 19:29:45
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The Cwmbran fan house is not listed in either the gazetteer of surviving sites in A.Hill 'The History and Development of Colliery Ventilation' (Matlock Bath, 2000), or in T.Evans et al 'A Guide to the Industrial Archaeology of South-East Wales: A Powerhouse of Industry' (2003), suggesting that there were monimal or no remans by the time these, apparently comprehensive, gazetteers were compiled. There has been a great deal of land reclaimation in Upper Cwmbran and the much of the colliery remains have been cleared away.

Hill does list Cwmbran Drift amongst the locations of Guibal fans at UK collieries in his list of installations (p.57) but lacked information on its dimensions, manufacturer and date.
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Posted: 03/01/2010 18:07:49
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This a Guibal Fan Housing located at West Lethans Farm in Fife.
The pit (2 Shafts) operated from 1903 to 1912 and was owned by the Wilson Coal Co. The area has a long tradition of ironstoneInsert image: and coal extraction.
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Posted: 03/01/2010 18:23:30
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Is it just me or should there be a pic? IP: 86.0.104.98
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Posted: 05/01/2010 15:38:50
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There should be photos but have not got hang of this yet. IP: 86.156.120.217
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Posted: 05/01/2010 15:41:28
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Click on the view all photographs and you will see six pictures of West lethans site. IP: 86.156.120.217
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Posted: 05/01/2010 15:51:09
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waughj wrote:

Click on the view all photographs and you will see six pictures of West lethans site.


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