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Smallcleugh Horse Level
Posted: 12/10/2020 15:25:16
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Travellers be aware -

The crawls along Smallcleugh Horse Level, between Gypsum Corner and Luke Halls sump are currently very mobile. Quite a lot of detritus has dropped down in each of the cavities between the arching. They needed digging to pass yesterday.

Perhaps avoid the area for now.

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Posted: 13/10/2020 19:33:57
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hi Leif , thanks for the update on your smallcleugh visits.
personally, i believe that however mundane your report might be, in my opinion we should have lots more of them!
Basically I believe that it is only by highlighting these events the rest of the mine exploring community, can be become aware of a mines condition!
So thanks for your report and keep them coming.
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Posted: 13/10/2020 20:50:41
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Cheers John.
As you know, I’m in Nent a lot. It only seems right I share info on where potential issues currently are - if it helps just one person have a better trip, then it’s worthwhile.

Hopefully I’ll catch up with you soon.

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Posted: 14/10/2020 12:06:51
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Last went through a couple of years ago - would defo qualify for 'Most worrying place in a mine' thread

really needs digging from both ends, although scope for spoil disposal is limited. 1/2'ed blue drums and a rope would probably be the way forward.

another nice little project if anyone feels like breaking cabin fever over winter.

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Posted: 14/10/2020 12:26:40
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legendrider wrote:

Last went through a couple of years ago - would defo qualify for 'Most worrying place in a mine' thread

really needs digging from both ends, although scope for spoil disposal is limited. 1/2'ed blue drums and a rope would probably be the way forward.

another nice little project if anyone feels like breaking cabin fever over winter.

MARK


Hello everyone am just wondering how you get involved into projects ? Do people ever offer invitations ? Or is it just small groups that do this

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Posted: 14/10/2020 12:38:25
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Hello everyone am just wondering how you get involved into projects ? Do people ever offer invitations ? Or is it just small groups that do this

Cheers tom


Tends just to be discreet groups of mates going out digging.
Occasionally folk ask for help on here, if somewhere important falls down. Never much uptake though, to be honest.

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Posted: 14/10/2020 12:48:14
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TheCret!n wrote:



Hello everyone am just wondering how you get involved into projects ? Do people ever offer invitations ? Or is it just small groups that do this

Cheers tom


Tends just to be discreet groups of mates going out digging.
Occasionally folk ask for help on here, if somewhere important falls down. Never much uptake though, to be honest.

Leif


I see I am part of the Gloucester group have done a lot in there area , also travel to wales a fair bit , next year I am looking for a group in the north pennies to join would be me and my mate a none member of this site , Both are starting to learn srt but far from experienced, would always come up and help on dig projects etc have you got any recommendations for clubs to join or groups of people on here I could speak to ? I have searched this site and lots of things in the area I am interested in Thumbs Up

Thanks for your reply Tom

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Posted: 15/10/2020 17:15:01
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a good update would be advice to buy knee pads for hethringtons
never again will i go through there without them it was pure hell Big Grin

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Posted: 15/10/2020 18:10:51
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Boggy wrote:

a good update would be advice to buy knee pads for hethringtons
never again will i go through there without them it was pure hell Big Grin


Funny that, I thought exactly the same years ago on my first trip and now always wear them!
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Posted: 15/10/2020 18:50:17
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Boggy wrote:

a good update would be advice to buy knee pads for hethringtons
never again will i go through there without them it was pure hell Big Grin


I manage OK. The low bits seem to have the smooth floor, the rest I sideways crab.

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Posted: 15/10/2020 19:49:18
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hi guys, my ambission is to tho through hethringtons when i am 80 years old1
which is some 18 months off! I must admit I have never worn knee pads on this trip and I guess when I next goo through there i will not either!
Personally I believe that it is a matter of technique!
Hopefully I will not have lost any since i have not been in this mine for18 months1

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Posted: 15/10/2020 21:14:03
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Well I am 76 in January, and still doing karate, aikido, SRT, wet trips, swinging about under waterfalls with nothing underneath me trying to use 24V percussion drills, etc etc.

But I am not human, that seems to be the consensus.

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Posted: 16/10/2020 08:46:47
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I have always found I can get through Hetheringtons on my feet simply by bending to 90 degrees at the waist and looking at the floor.
Re Mark (legendrider)'s comment about the U-bends on Smallcleugh Horse Level, I'd second his opinion! Before our most recent trip through this section a couple of years ago, the last time I did it was in the early 90s - it was bad enough then!
I'm not claustrophobic, but I find this section of tight up and down squeezes most intimidating - especially with the rather ropey arching stones and loose ground behind just waiting to slip and 'pin' you down with little possibility of rescue!
It's not somewhere I'll go again. EVER!


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Posted: 16/10/2020 10:18:18
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The problem is that the level was dug out many years ago, mainly to complete the survey, but there has never been a campaign of properly digging and supporting the collapsed sections. Maybe, maybe..... It is a much faster and easier way of travelling to the south end of the mine.

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Posted: 16/10/2020 13:58:09
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Any proposed dig will require removal of many tons of loose shale and its disposal somewhere - a blind sump would be the most appealing choice but may require the installation of some sort of metal road for tramming the deads any distance. Scaff rail has been used successfully in several N Pennine digs, or, if there is original rail in-situ then simply a bogie (purists look away now - I'd pinch the wheels out of the eponymous Flat).

If everyone who visited Smallcleugh took out a bait-box full of spoil, it would be clear in no time!

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Posted: 16/10/2020 14:00:48
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Rails are in through the whole section. However, the wheel flat wheels are of a much narrower gauge...

Might be able to find two sets of wheels and a waggon.

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Posted: 16/10/2020 14:07:15
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Wheelsets could always be re-gauged in the worst case scenario. a little creative metalworking involved!

MARK

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Posted: 16/10/2020 14:11:59
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legendrider wrote:

Any proposed dig will require removal of many tons of loose shale and its disposal somewhere - a blind sump would be the most appealing choice but may require the installation of some sort of metal road for tramming the deads any distance. Scaff rail has been used successfully in several N Pennine digs, or, if there is original rail in-situ then simply a bogie (purists look away now - I'd pinch the wheels out of the eponymous Flat).

If everyone who visited Smallcleugh took out a bait-box full of spoil, it would be clear in no time!

MARK


Dumpy bags at Luke Halls would be a decent start.
It’d help support the walls/roof there, too.

Leif.

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Posted: 16/10/2020 14:31:14
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legendrider wrote:

Wheelsets could always be re-gauged in the worst case scenario. a little creative metalworking involved!

MARK

The wheel flat wheels are an important part of the history and archaeology of the mine. We have wheels and axles available on surface.
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Posted: 16/10/2020 17:07:09
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Given the state of the arching along the crawls it would be inappropriate to dig down to the floor, never mind where the stuff could be dumped.

The digging is probably the lesser problem, haulage and stowage are going to require more effort and space.

The area around Luke Hall's slight depression (née sump), particularly just inbye from it, has been collapsing quite a lot recently so stabilising in that area is required as well.

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