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Posted: 13/05/2020 16:12:37
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Big GrinBig GrinBig Grin What more can one say? Most of them gather around you before the Whacky Baccky comes out, though! IP: 46.65.77.142
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Posted: 14/05/2020 13:33:14
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Here is the advice from MCR in the Mendips.

"A message from Martin Grass.
Honorary Secretary.
Mendip Cave Rescue.

Following on from the Prime Ministers statement on Sunday re the easing of restrictions some people have asked about caving.
Firstly I will stress that it is not Mendip Cave Rescues job to tell cavers if or where they should go caving.
However, the following should be bourne in mind.
The PM made it very clear that you can meet one friend outside keeping 2 mts distance. Caves are not outside and the caving code recommends a minimum of 4 in a group. So unless it is a family living together its difficult.
The only pastimes allowed are golf, tennis and those where social distancing can be maintained. It cannot be maintained in caving.
MCR have made certain preparations if we are called out but the practicalities of wearing PPE in a cave would make any rescue prolonged. In addition we have protocols issued by BCRC where all equipment needs to be treated with disinfectant.
Of course we would not hesitate to attend a call out but it could take longer than normal with some cavers self-isolating. Not only would rescuers be putting themselves at risk of contracting the virus from a casualty but the casualty would also be at risk from the rescuers.
The goodwill we have with landowners on Mendip could well be put in jeopardy if cavers start arriving. The club huts are all still closed as are most caves. The two longest caves, St. Cuthberts and Swildons Hole are closed to cavers until the lockdown is lifted.
Finally caving and British Caving in particular gained enormous praise from the public and great PR following on from the Thailand rescue in 2018. One rescue will put the current positive profile that caving has back for years.
So please stay safe.
Martin."
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Posted: 14/05/2020 13:40:00
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This from COMRU in Cumbria.

"Travel to Open Spaces but not the Mountains or Underground.

COMRU - your underground rescue team.

We cannot stress enough the importance of please staying away from underground sites in Cumbria and beyond at present.

COMRU is a volunteer rescue team whose members are highly skilled in working underground and bringing rescues to a successful conclusion. However, any rescue will put its members at risk of contracting Covid-19 virus from a casualty or fellow team member who is not showing symptoms. This will in turn have repercussions for their families, dependants and of course the NHS.

We, like our partner teams and organisations throughout the County are expecting an influx of visitors to the area following the changes to ‘lockdown’ rules, which in turn presents difficulties. Cumbria has the one of the highest infection rates in the country and we do not want to increase this. One team member becoming infected can mean that the whole of COMRU will be quarantined for 14 days. The impact of this on any future rescue response would be considerable.
The Government’s slogan is “Be Alert” and we want people to be alert to the risks you are placing on yourself and our volunteers.


Be alert that the systems that we and our partner teams have in place for COVID virus protection will mean that it will take us longer to get help to you.

Be alert that we have limited personal protective equipment, increasing the risk of cross infection to you and our members

Be alert to the fact we have to decontaminate vehicles, equipment and clothing afterwards; some of which cannot be reused and will have to be replaced

Be alert that the area’s infrastructure, still partially closed down, cannot cope with a surge of visitors.

So very much “Be Alert” but also “Be Kind”.

Be kind to our volunteers and our emergency services, be kind to our NHS, be kind to our rural communities and be kind to our farmers.

We want you to really think about your trip underground and its potential effect on others. The risk of an accident is small. The consequences of a rescue are massive.

Thank you for being kind to us. We will still do the best we can in the event of an incident."


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Posted: 14/05/2020 16:32:32
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BCA have published some caving advice, which happens to mention mines. I do not think that this advice is helpful.
https://british-caving.org.uk/wiki3/doku.php

I agree with previous comments about the depth of feeling, and fear of the Virus in rural areas of North England. Club members are generally well respected and welcome. I believe that it would hurt our cause if we were to restart our activities.

Pete
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Posted: 14/05/2020 18:07:39
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PeteJ wrote:

BCA have published some caving advice, which happens to mention mines. I do not think that this advice is helpful.
https://british-caving.org.uk/wiki3/doku.php


I agree Pete, that advice is not really very helpful. Although at least it specifically mentions not to travel to, from or within Wales and Scotland.

Contrasted with the detailed advice from the BMC for walking and climbing it's a little disappointing the BCA couldn't come up with something better than - effectively - "up to you, but you probably shouldn't".

https://www.thebmc.co.uk/can-i-start-climbing-and-hill-walking-again

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Posted: 15/05/2020 12:06:14
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https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/chaos-dovestone-reservoir-motorists-flock-18253241?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

This is what happened this week after travel restrictions were lifted, sad really the virus has not gone away.

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Posted: 15/05/2020 13:21:54
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Daggers wrote:

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/chaos-dovestone-reservoir-motorists-flock-18253241?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

This is what happened this week after travel restrictions were lifted, sad really the virus has not gone away.



It's people like this who are going to ruin it for everybody else. Hopefully it will calm down as time goes on.

I went to a quieter part of the peak district the other day to walk around some surface remains and saw a whole 6 people on a 2.5 hour walk! I really don't understand how you can enjoy being around that many people in the current climate.
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Posted: 15/05/2020 13:38:40
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alex17595 wrote:



Daggers wrote:

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/chaos-dovestone-reservoir-motorists-flock-18253241?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar


It's people like this who are going to ruin it for everybody else.....I really don't understand how you can enjoy being around that many people in the current climate.


As my mate said the other day when he drove past a 1.5mile / 2 hour traffic jam of people waiting to get into a newly re-opened KFC...…… "Lemmings"

These folks don't have the knowledge or imagination to get off the beaten path or to find themselves "new" places.....they just stick to what they know.
I'm not being offensive or snooty about it...they just don't know any better Sad



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Posted: 15/05/2020 14:14:23
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sinker wrote:

alex17595 wrote:



Daggers wrote:

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/chaos-dovestone-reservoir-motorists-flock-18253241?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar


It's people like this who are going to ruin it for everybody else.....I really don't understand how you can enjoy being around that many people in the current climate.


As my mate said the other day when he drove past a 1.5mile / 2 hour traffic jam of people waiting to get into a newly re-opened KFC...…… "Lemmings"

These folks don't have the knowledge or imagination to get off the beaten path or to find themselves "new" places.....they just stick to what they know.
I'm not being offensive or snooty about it...they just don't know any better Sad



I guess it could be worth remembering that humans created what they have, good bits and bad bits, in large part because they are extremely social animals. And those who don't hugely enjoy large groups, like-minded or otherwise (me included), depend upon the rest more than we might like to admit. Just let them be as far as possible, about the only time I get bothered is when some journo type start wittering on about how beautiful and unspoilt much of Co. Durham and Northumberland are, I believe there is a reason for that. Innocent

I've also, quite often, wandered out of Grasmere and similar places muttering about said lemmings and then not seem more than a couple of people after hours on the hills and then got back to the same crowds, happily spending money and keeping places like the Lakes existing as a community.

Only saying Flowers Flowers

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Posted: 21/05/2020 15:48:59
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Fatal climbing accident in the Peaks. Sad

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-52729804
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