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Posted: 01/05/2020 11:56:10
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I've got a mate who is a builder (also mine explorer) and at his christmas staff "do" had 26 men there. Not registered for rates, no £10k the furlough money hasn't come yet, so he's had to take a (big) bank loan.

The question is, will the building/housing market sht itself?

I deal with ground instability due to historic mining for work and it's an interesting one. All of the other consultants downed tools almost instantly. The drillers (that everyone used) also got sent home because the consultants had stopped. The drillers chief was in the same boat. No £10k, men off, jobs cancelled, etc. I've had a few jobs because I get nothing, so I just have to carry on.

What is interesting is that all of the big building sites have gone back to work, all of the consultants have upped tools and we're all flying again. Dare I say it, this is more busy now than it has been recently.

I can see a proper tsunami on the horizon. When you look at the govt figures of what they are borrowing, it's utterly mega. If it carries on, it will be affecting the pound and the economic stats. I'm reading about businesses closing down and presumably, when the furlough period is over (and a universal income does not appear as Rishi and Starmer have both said it won't) we're going to have mega unemployment and all of the woe that brings....demand/cost.

America's employment figures were 5% over (as in worse) than the great depression. This is unprecedented stuff.

Not to go overly political, but as someone who should vote conservative, what I observe is a mixture of ultra socialism, pettiness and neglect to society in a seemingly random form.

Anyone would think they are insulated from this with their big wages, safe jobs, gold plated pensions, expenses slush fund to dig into, 10k payrise for being at home, massive holidays and no experience in the real economy whatsoever.

The way this has been handled really deserves all of their heads on sticks and a load of civil service heads on sticks as well.

There is going to be shocking poverty for many and the implications this has on housing/welfare and the greater property/building market is immense, not to mention the influx of bungalows for sale and the increased absence of the grey pound.

It reminds me of left handed lesbian trombonist dance groups getting lottery money for what is basically fking about.
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Posted: 01/05/2020 12:18:58
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Les W wrote:

I'm sorry I started this now. I didn't realise how much hate there was in the mine and cave community.


Hate is a strong word. I don't see any hate in this thread. What I do see is a robust debate and that is no bad thing.

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Posted: 01/05/2020 12:21:17
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The most I can see is dismissive resentment, but sort of understandable. IP: 91.125.156.144
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Posted: 01/05/2020 12:33:37
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Peter Burgess wrote:

The most I can see is dismissive resentment, but sort of understandable.


I'm Disappointed. I was aiming for 'strong objection and very understandable'. Wink Laugh

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Posted: 01/05/2020 12:53:45
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It's only my perception - others might detect something else. It's misperceptions online that cause more problems than almost anything else! IP: 91.125.156.144
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Posted: 01/05/2020 13:08:44
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Untangling the ethics of the way public funds are spent is a tricky subject at the best of times, for instance why do we subsidise things like performing arts when we still have child poverty and homelessness? I suspect it wouldn't take long to come up with a storm of opinions on that alone.

I think everyone is just trying to get through this tangle as best they can - it's good to know the options. There are a few things perhaps more deserving of your outrage, perhaps certain airlines applying for hundreds of millions in unconditional aid whilst still paying out hundreds of millions in dividends to shareholders .

The fact is that this scheme is available and clubs and societies are apparently listed amongst the potential beneficiaries. I'm guessing £10k is an arbitrary figure arrived at to avoid the bureaucracy of means testing or organisations applying for specific amounts in order to deliver help quickly.

As I said before, maybe apply if you feel your club needs it, don’t bother if you feel you don’t. If you feel you only need part of it I believe there are options to give the remainder back to the treasury.
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Posted: 01/05/2020 13:32:53
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Clubs are specifically listed on the eligability list that has been published, as are hostels. This isn't a loophole it is a legitimate grant. The list is very long and has been aimed at all sorts of businesses and organisations that are struggling due to the government taking away their income source, whilst leaving them with


This ^^^^

Plus I may well have overestimated the number of huts. It may only be 5 or 10. Whatever it is a very small drop in the ocean

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Posted: 02/05/2020 11:46:18
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In a time of a national emergency, the pain should be equally shared. (or as equally as possible). In the public and private sectors this has not been the case. The government have fked this up massively.

This is merely an unforseen consequence of their inept fiddling which is going to ruin a lot of lives/businesses.

But it's ok, Rishi and co are sitting pretty.

Heads on sticks after this.




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Posted: 02/05/2020 14:24:52
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I bet most of the sheeple just think "I clapped for the NHS so I've done my bit" and conveniently forgetc by the next election.

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Posted: 02/05/2020 19:39:18
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They ****ed up big time!! From the very beginning.

Oh! and do you really think BJ had the virus?
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Posted: 02/05/2020 20:03:09
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JohnnearCfon wrote:

They ****ed up big time!! From the very beginning.

Oh! and do you really think BJ had the virus?


Suppose you blame 5G too?

Do you really want to know what Cygnus 2016 said?

Its said 750,000 dead and jack all could be done to prevent it.
That's all. The CMO and the cabinet are following exactly what Cygnus 2016 told them they would need to.

Ventilators, two thirds who go on a ventilator die, ventilators are not a sound option
PPE, NHS supply chain screwed that up, not the cabinet. Won't find anybody tweeting that, other than the CDS who said NHS supply chain were abysmal.
I deal with NHS supply chain every day and they are a bunch of rank amateurs.

There is currently no cure or vaccine to prevent Covid-19

The Chinese lied, the WHO lied
The UK government didn't quite lie, they just didn't want to tell the public that nature wins this round and mankind cannot prevent it. The Swedes know what Cygnus 2016 said and they didn't bother with a full lock down. Its of questionable value.
80% of the UK population will get it. Herd immunity is still the only viable solution.

Go look at the facts for yourself, or believe what you read on facebook. Your choice.....

The Wuhan Institute of Virology ****ed up when poor working practices allowed Coronavirus out on an unsuspecting world
The WHO were complicit in hiding the severity of it.


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Posted: 02/05/2020 20:15:37
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Les W wrote:

I'm sorry I started this now. I didn't realise how much hate there was in the mine and cave community.


People are emotional Les
How emotional they are is dictated by how bad their personal circumstances are right now.

In my place of work 2/3rds of the workforce have been sent home.
Many of them probably won't have a job to come back too.

I would imagine thats broadly representative of everyones experience on here.
A lot of companies are going down the pan rapidly. The furlough scheme helps in the short term but it isn't going to keep jobs open through until recovery.

Personally I've spent the last month at work shitting on people who have no guilt in this game.
I've sliced a hundred grand a month out of costs and the real price of that is people struggling to pay the rent and those who are still working are earning less.

There is a lot of financial pain out there, lots of people are feeling it.
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Posted: 02/05/2020 21:19:26
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I've just sat in an office (4m away) of my brother in law and he's just explained how 3 of 4 of his businesses are screwed. Two of them can be put on ice, one of them employs a load of people and is likely to hit the wall due to insufficient help and rent/rates. He hasn't bought the building yet and the LL is like "pay up" (who he bought the business from).

This is just the tip of the iceberg.

My business isn't going to go bust, but we may be not making any money for some time.

My backup supply teaching looks like it could be in the **** as well.

If I end up handing the keys back for everything and move my family back into mothers house (which has plenty of room) I will choose to become as economically inactive as I can.

If hard work doesn't pay because of this, I will just do the absolute minimum.

I've got a few mining investigations to do, which is great, but chatting with my peers, the searches have dried up across the board, which means no new work (probably).

Thankfully I don't have 13 staff to lay off (like the nearest competitor) or whacking great rates to pay.

The staff that get laid off will be on universal credit, which seems to be based on people who live in Leeds in about 1950.
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Posted: 02/05/2020 21:37:52
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I've just got one day's work doing rope-access work tomorrow - so at least the company that hired me haven't gone bust yet. Ironically it's at a hospital, but outside, and sounds like an emergency repair if it's on Sunday, but hopefully I'll get more info on the general state of things. But it'll be the first time on a rope of any sort in six weeks. IP: 81.174.241.13
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Posted: 02/05/2020 21:44:28
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I hear a fair bit of complaining here - are we saying that the lockdown should be abandoned?

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Posted: 02/05/2020 21:55:45
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ChrisJC wrote:

I hear a fair bit of complaining here - are we saying that the lockdown should be abandoned?

Chris.


Speaking as somebody in the at risk category, yes.

I am of the belief that it has served its intended purpose of slowing the infection rate but it cannot prevent widespread infection in the long run.
It would also appear that widespread infection is impossible to avoid anyway.

I also believe that the economic hardship that will be felt by millions of people may be just as harmful to the country as the deaths caused by Coronavirus.
I am not convinced lockdown will prevent that many deaths anyway. It ill probably only spread the deaths over a longer period.

Nature has already won this round, ably assisted by the Chinese being utterly inept at biosecurity
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Posted: 02/05/2020 23:04:31
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Speaking personally, I really think this thread has gone way beyond the limits and has descended into essentially a political row. Everyone is, of course entitled to their opinions, but in this matter, like only a few short years ago over Brexit (remember that?) I do not think this is the right forum to argue about it.
Moderators, please lock this thread so that all those involved can cool down

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Posted: 03/05/2020 05:05:19
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grahami wrote:

Speaking personally, I really think this thread has gone way beyond the limits and has descended into essentially a political row. Everyone is, of course entitled to their opinions, but in this matter, like only a few short years ago over Brexit (remember that?) I do not think this is the right forum to argue about it.
Moderators, please lock this thread so that all those involved can cool down

Graham I



I agree you Graham

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Posted: 03/05/2020 08:16:15
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JohnnearCfon wrote:

They ****ed up big time!! From the very beginning.

Oh! and do you really think BJ had the virus?


Please John; this is not the time to be politicising things and who cares whether he had it or not (although he obviously did) as "we are where we are" and we need to move forward....and back "on topic" Flowers



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