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Peter Burgess

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South Wales Coalfield book query
Posted: 28/01/2020 20:23:54
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Currently in my care is a book in rather poor condition. I have little idea how well known it is and wondered if it is of any great historic value (not monetary). It has a rather fine selection of photos of numerous pit sites, and glowing testimonials of the various coal companies. Any more info would be welcome.


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Posted: 28/01/2020 23:17:29
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It was most likely published in 1921.
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South Wales Coalfield book query
Posted: 29/01/2020 10:28:37
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Peter,

I have done some some searches looking for that book and there are non. I would suggest its probably rare. With a date of 1921 almost 100 years old the photos contained within are going to be a fabulous record.

Value wouldn't like to guess .

Its something that should maybe be in a library reference if that's what you want to do with it. First stop would be Big Pit?

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South Wales Coalfield book query
Posted: 29/01/2020 10:46:35
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Hi Peter
I also have done a number of searches and come up blank.
Do we have any other info, publisher. etc?
Are the photos from one particular area, or are they of the S. Wales coalfield generally?
I suspect it may be some sort of local publication for local consumption, as such will be very scarce possibly even rare as Mike says.
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Posted: 29/01/2020 11:17:09
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Without the info Alan above mentioned it could possibly be a company advertisement for their products,i saw one recently on one of the Mining sites regarding Ystrad Owen Colliery advertising their Pumpquart coal. IP: 91.85.182.125
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Posted: 29/01/2020 12:35:32
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The general tone of the text suggests it is a regional mine owners' "propaganda" to counter the post WW1 narrative of nationalisation. The book turned up in our club cottage a while back and I took it home to remove it from abuse and damp, thinking to scan the photos but never got round to it. It is full of lists of directors, managers, owners etc with good descriptions of the mines and infrastructure. IP: 85.115.54.201 Edited: 29/01/2020 12:54:58 by Peter Burgess
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Posted: 29/01/2020 17:28:27
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Scan it and add it to the AN database, probably long out of copyright by now. Thumb Up IP: 178.102.168.113 Edited: 29/01/2020 17:29:00 by Jimbo
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Posted: 29/01/2020 17:38:06
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OK good idea - it's at least foolscap page size! I may have to take photos instead.
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Posted: 29/01/2020 18:06:33
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Two sample pages (obviously I will do the photos properly Big Grin ):



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Posted: 29/01/2020 18:20:59
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Any doubts about the purpose of the book might be dispelled by reading the last bit of the introductory chapter.



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Posted: 29/01/2020 18:44:58
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Fascinating reading, may well be a bit one-sided but if there are no known other copies it deserves to be preserved in an archive in Wales, Big Pit, Aberystwyth library or whatever is most appropriate.

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Posted: 29/01/2020 21:45:17
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Jim MacPherson wrote:

it deserves to be preserved in an archive in Wales, Big Pit, Aberystwyth library or whatever is most appropriate. Jim


If a "Museum attraction" like Big Pit fails the collection can get lost.
The archive at the The National Library of Wales will be safer.

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Posted: 29/01/2020 22:06:03
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Could it be this book?
https://discover.library.wales/primo-explore/fulldisplay?docid=44NLW_ALMA21847066280002419&context=L&vid=44WHELF_NLW_NUI&lang=en_US&search_scope=LSCOP_INLIBRARY&adaptor=Local%20Search%20Engine&tab=tab4&query=any,contains,the%20south%20wales%20coalfield
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Posted: 29/01/2020 23:48:59
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Yes that is the one!
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Posted: 01/02/2020 12:04:32
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Nationalisation was post WW2 and not WW1. However, the south Wales coalfield was in trouble after WW1 due to the loss of European customers who started getting their coal free from Germany as part of the Treaty of Versailles as war reparations. Several coal mines in Swansea area closed down as a result.
Looks a fascinating book.
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Posted: 01/02/2020 12:33:03
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ptpeaty wrote:

Nationalisation was post WW2 and not WW1. However, the south Wales coalfield was in trouble after WW1 due to the loss of European customers who started getting their coal free from Germany as part of the Treaty of Versailles as war reparations. Several coal mines in Swansea area closed down as a result.
Looks a fascinating book.


Actually it was considered by the Sankey Commission in about 1920, generally they were in favour of it, hence the comments and tone in the book, but Government decided against.

https://www.historytoday.com/archive/black-friday-1921

Plenty about it in the link above.

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Posted: 01/02/2020 14:35:40
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As it seems there is a copy safely preserved in a national collection I will see what I can do about adding some or maybe all of it here if admins are ok with it. I can only post a series of image files rather than a cohesive pdf
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Posted: 29/02/2020 21:40:24
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I have added photos from the book into relevant mine photo galleries. However, there are quite a few mines in the book that I can't find galleries for. As I am not familiar with the South Wales collieries, I can't be sure whether the mine exists in AditNow under a different name, or part of another mine, or whether I should create new mine entries for them.
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Posted: 29/02/2020 21:55:17
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Collieries that I have not posted up are:

Bwllfa No.1 Pit
Bwllfa No.3 Pit
Coytrahen Park Colliery
Crybbwr Fawr Collieries
Cwmaman Colliery
Dyllas Colliery
Ocean Collieries Eastern Pit
Ocean Collieries Western Pit
Ely Pit
Fforchwen Colliery
Garth Colliery
Llwynhelig Colliery
Naval Colliery, Nantgwyn Pit
Naval Colliery, Pandy Pit
Oakwood Colliery
Park Pit
Ton Phillip Colliery
Welsh Navigation Coedely Pits
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Posted: 01/03/2020 12:00:23
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Thanks for uploading these; they're fascinating. Thumb Up

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