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Posted: 27/10/2019 17:45:02
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Been for a walk in the Gwydir today and noticed a few adits in the woods on the hillside near the ugly house on the other side of the A5 (Cross the bridge and immediate right down the single track road) Had a quick look on here and no mine listed, does anyone have any info? IP: 86.145.109.81
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Posted: 28/10/2019 02:35:40
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Its Caemawr, one small sentence appears online.

"A small working on the western bank of the Llugwy near the A5 bridge. Workings are believed to be Roman and are fenced off. Adit is open, and there are a couple of semi choked shafts."

Have had a very small poke around myself, as it says semi choked stopes or shafts, never found the adit myself. Ended up stomping up the hill a bit.

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Posted: 28/10/2019 09:27:23
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Good stuff, thanks for the info. Next time I'm there I'll check the adit out, the water didn't seem too deep. IP: 86.145.109.81
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Posted: 29/10/2019 21:21:32
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Dont know why its called the ugly house I like it looks very robust and sturdy not ugly

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Posted: 30/10/2019 19:13:17
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I remember being told - I think- that there was some archaic legislation saying that on land without legal tenure a dwelling house built during one day (until the chimney was smoking) became the property of the builder. No guarantee of accuracy! IP: 213.205.198.142
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Posted: 30/10/2019 20:27:40
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Even today trainee stonemasons will be required to build a piece of wall or steps or some such thing as part of their assessment. Our stonemason will come along and inspect their work and pass judgment.
Worst comment you can hear is:

"Edrych fel cornel Ty Hyll"

Translation:

"Looks like a corner of the Ugly House"

It's NOT a compliment Laugh Laugh Guns



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Yma O Hyd.... ta-ta ty hâ... IP: 85.255.236.38 Edited: 30/10/2019 21:35:26 by sinker
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Posted: 30/10/2019 21:12:29
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Bill L wrote:

I remember being told - I think- that there was some archaic legislation saying that on land without legal tenure a dwelling house built during one day (until the chimney was smoking) became the property of the builder. No guarantee of accuracy!


I think I recall Barry Trinder using that explanation for the squatter housing on the fringes of the Stiperstones during a field trip to the area in the late 1970's, so perhaps a widespread habit in the 18th C in Shropshire/ NW Wales.

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Posted: 30/10/2019 22:16:19
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Caemawr (Bennett & Vernon, 1993, Mines of the Gwydr Forest Part 5, p. 22)
Two parallel N-S trending lodes have been explored, with much the greater extent of workings found on the westerly of the two. This has been opened extensively at surface and by adit, and several efforts have been made to access the lode from the eastern side of the outcrop.
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Posted: 31/10/2019 09:04:18
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Jim MacPherson wrote:

Bill L wrote:

I remember being told - I think- that there was some archaic legislation saying that on land without legal tenure a dwelling house built during one day (until the chimney was smoking) became the property of the builder. No guarantee of accuracy!


I think I recall Barry Trinder using that explanation for the squatter housing on the fringes of the Stiperstones during a field trip to the area in the late 1970's, so perhaps a widespread habit in the 18th C in Shropshire/ NW Wales.

Jim


I believe it was once held as customary law that if a dwelling could be built on common land between dusk and dawn and had a fire lit in the hearth by dawn, then the occupant was allowed to live there rent-free from that time on, effectively taking ownership of plot. There was also the practice of building houses on the land set aside for the highway (purprestre); this was usually tolerated by the authorities on payment of a regular fine by the occupant, becoming a de-facto rent payment.

Then there's the Peak mining laws, which allowed a miner to set up a cottage within the confines of his mining title and live there rent-free - there are a couple of properties in my village that I suspect originated in this manner!

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Posted: 31/10/2019 09:33:04
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Built in a day you say?!

My current experience of building is you're lucky to get two pieces of wood nailed together in a day these days - that's if anybody turns up, and remembers to bring a hammer...

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That aside, goring up in N Wales I remember hearing the same story about the overnight house / smoke from the chimney by the morning.

There's an article on Wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ty_unnos

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Posted: 31/10/2019 11:28:08
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SimonRL wrote:



Built in a day you say?!

My current experience of building is you're lucky to get two pieces of wood nailed together in a day these days - that's if anybody turns up, and remembers to bring a hammer....



Strong firm project management is the key. Along with threats of physical violence. And supply your own hammer.



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Posted: 31/10/2019 11:30:10
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sinker wrote:

SimonRL wrote:



Built in a day you say?!

My current experience of building is you're lucky to get two pieces of wood nailed together in a day these days - that's if anybody turns up, and remembers to bring a hammer....



Strong firm project management is the key. Along with threats of physical violence. And supply your own hammer.



Yes, our builder keeps using terms like "effective project management", "robust decision making" and so forth. And you know my opinion of him now. And I know you knew that when you were typing that GunsGuns CursingCursing LaughLaugh

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Posted: 31/10/2019 11:34:55
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Ask your inlaws Simon there are still some good uns

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Posted: 31/10/2019 11:43:56
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Paul Marvin wrote:

Ask your inlaws Simon there are still some good uns


Yeah, I know Thumbs Up

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Posted: 31/10/2019 12:24:49
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Explored the adit today which appears to just be a trial. It goes for about 10 metres before the floor dissapears into a small stope underwater. Shining a torch further in it seems to go another 20 or so metres and stop. Interesting this tunnel is much further up the hillside than the main workings at Caemawr just off the road. It's above the forestry track that runs above Caemawr and the workings continue even further than this if you follow them. Might just be trials and not related to Caemawr workings? IP: 82.132.246.128
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