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Llanigraham

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Posted: 08/06/2019 00:08:37
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When I try to look at the mine details page I find that the maps are greyed out and it asks me if I am the owner of the site.

Is there something wrong at my end or yours?
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Morlock

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Posted: 08/06/2019 01:21:35
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I noticed that a while back, popup says "This page can't load Google Maps correctly" and "for development purposes only"

Map pin seems to be in the correct place though.

Streetmap works OK.
IP: 81.135.122.104 Edited: 08/06/2019 01:22:34 by Morlock
rogiep

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Posted: 08/06/2019 09:14:44
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Same thing happening on Mindat.org. IP: 92.20.189.107
Jim MacPherson

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Posted: 08/06/2019 09:27:32
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Seems back to normal now, but it did the same a few days ago, went into "odd" mode and the next day or so back to normal.

Presumably something intermittent.

Jim
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JohnnearCfon

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Posted: 08/06/2019 11:24:27
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Google have recently put limits on how many times their maps can be looked at per day for medium sized websites. A few other sites I use are affected by this. Sad IP: 86.161.121.60
SimonRL

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Posted: 08/06/2019 20:01:32
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John is on the right lines.

Google is now charging for all maps generated via API call - which is effectively any map other than their basic ifrane embeds

So to avoid a monumental bill many web sites are restricting their map usage. Once your predetermined limit is reached they stop displaying correctly.

They give $200 worth of credit a month; but above that you pay. And AN generates a lot of maps in a month.

Between server costs and, now, maps AditNow easily costs £1500 a year to run these days.

So, sorry, until I can come up with a cunning plan the maps run out before the end of the day.

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IP: 213.205.194.125 Edited: 08/06/2019 20:06:34 by SimonRL
JohnnearCfon

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Posted: 08/06/2019 20:54:37
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SimonRL wrote:

AditNow easily costs £1500 a year to run these days.

So, sorry, until I can come up with a cunning plan the maps run out before the end of the day.


For which we are all indebted to you Simon. Thumbs UpThumbs UpThumbs Up
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ChrisJC

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Posted: 08/06/2019 21:10:11
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Can you pull the maps from OpenStreetmap instead?

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Posted: 08/06/2019 22:46:44
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It looks a good system but a) no aerial views (as far as I can see anyway), and b) require you to download the database and serve the map tiles locally. Probably fairly easy but a level of tinkering I haven't time for at the moment.

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Posted: 09/06/2019 08:28:08
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Good point about the satellite imagery.
But just the map part - for a man of your candelabra, very easy. I once installed the database and server on a laptop, so I could use the loopback interface and a GPS dongle to navigate when off-line (i.e. driving on a 4x4 challenge around Mid Wales). If I can do it, you definitely could!

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Mr Mike

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Posted: 09/06/2019 09:55:35
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SimonRL wrote:



Between server costs and, now, maps AditNow easily costs £1500 a year to run these days.


I've often wondered about this Simon, a token yearly small membership fee (no idea what would work, but maybe anything from £1-£5) - would sort out the wheat from the chaff, and it's hardly bank breaking, especially for the resource you provide.

Or would this idea make it a nightmare?

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Jim MacPherson

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Posted: 09/06/2019 10:49:20
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Mr Mike wrote:

SimonRL wrote:



Between server costs and, now, maps AditNow easily costs £1500 a year to run these days.


I've often wondered about this Simon, a token yearly small membership fee (no idea what would work, but maybe anything from £1-£5) - would sort out the wheat from the chaff, and it's hardly bank breaking, especially for the resource you provide.

Or would this idea make it a nightmare?


I agree, though perhaps it would be better if a voluntary donation as it may otherwise put some (a few (?) off) and that would also let people choose their own level of support. As you say Mike it may create legal/accounting problems.

On a similar subject I don't buy a calendar as I don't use such things, pretty though the photos are, but I'd be more than happy just to give an annual donation to the process.

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Posted: 09/06/2019 17:06:55
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How about having a button to view the map? Not everyone needs the map to open every time and this should reduce the number of hits on the map. IP: 51.9.200.160
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Posted: 09/06/2019 18:33:40
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I prefer to use the link to the OS maps anyway. The only time I use the Google Map is when I want to lokk at "Mines Near" markers. So making that work with a button sounds a good idea. So long as it doesn't make a hell of a lot more work for Simon setting it up to work like that of course! IP: 86.161.121.60
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Posted: 09/06/2019 22:32:41
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It is as Simon says. I had a Google Developers Account and I received notification about the changes and that once I renewed my account I would have to supply a credit card number to proceed. While they give you "credit" up to certain tile allowances, once that allowance is used Google will then invoice you and take payment via the card you supplied. I believe there is a method to prevent you from incurring charges but why they can't operate a system like the OS and Bing use fails me.

With that in mind I just ditched Google as many others have. Personally I think they've shot themselves in the foot. While I understand that they can't be that philanthropic they've survived and made huge profits long before they took this action. Just think with number of users they have if say 1 million map users went over by say £1 in a month. £12 million a year, not bad eh.

I have lots of my maps to change over to other systems but many are now out of use anyway so the job isn't that onerous. My solution has been to replace with Leaflet and open a Bing account to access their (currently) free satellite mapping. Again Bing allocate you an allowance and once used won't be served. OS operate a similar tile allocation system. But currently neither ask for credit card details.

I've been involved with an unofficial website which supports the South West Peak Partnership regarding Heritage Assets and Barns. I've created some maps, you can see how they work here.
http://www.biglow.co.uk/SWPeak/map/survey/progress/survey_bing_otm_osm.html

I've also been playing with some data supplied here by Dickie Bird, the Barmaster Maps. Using MapTiler I've georeferenced some and re-writing some script swapped the OpenStreetMap for Bing. Works quite well.
http://www.toadstone.com/pdmhs/barmaster/BMSheet_SE_Peak_Forest/

Also had a play with the recently released Lidar data. This is the WW1 trenches at Burbage in Buxton.
http://www.biglow.co.uk/pdmhs/burbage_ww1_trench/

I'm sure Simon has a plan Wink

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Posted: 10/06/2019 09:41:12
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I second using leaflet. Changing provider is as simple as changing tile server url - more or less a one liner. IP: 185.19.209.50
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Posted: 10/06/2019 10:13:54
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bosh wrote:

How about having a button to view the map? Not everyone needs the map to open every time and this should reduce the number of hits on the map.


This is a very valid point. We (being website compilers) are so used to providing the end user with the best possible viewing experience; in doing so can quite often supply too much information as a result, mapping falls into this experience. The alternatives are to, as bosh has suggested, provide a link to advance onto mapping.
Once there, through that link, is to geo-fence the viewed map so that the casual user doesn't just wander off looking for whatever. This would reduce the number of tiles served.
Another method would be to provide a static map image. This however would entail vast amounts of work not least server storage.
The basic Leaflet Map using OpenStreetMap data with a link to say Bing Satellite Hybrid or the plain one is the way possibly.
Current Ordnance Survey maps should be left as stand alone maps rather than having them as a sliding layer over satellite mapping. As good as it looks and as good as the javascripts are in converting flat earth to WGS84 it is perhaps one of those excessive features alluded to earlier.
Finally there is the vast amount of work, expertise and money Simon has already put into this excellent online resource.

Just some thoughts to be kicked and picked over.

Peter.







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alex17595

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Posted: 10/06/2019 11:57:44
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Would it be possible to put the locations on a custom maps (google mymaps) or into a KMZ/KML file for use on google earth?

An example: https://i.imgur.com/NdW5jOx.jpg

The DCA have a similar thing and it works pretty well.


IP: 86.145.9.179 Edited: 10/06/2019 12:08:57 by alex17595
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