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Colin McClary

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Geevor deep adit
Posted: 24/04/2018 18:56:22
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We recently carried out an inspection of the secured adit gate to find that the high tensile chain links had been cut with an angle grinder. We have now replaced these entailing expenses that I would have sooner spent on our latest projects. The grinder gangs and individuals who carry out these attacks have no respect for the mine, and are completely indifferent to the possible ramifications of their actions, i.e allowing access by even bigger idiots than themselves. We have been given some idea of who may be responsible, next time we will be reporting this criminal damage to the police. So please leave well alone before you mess up access County wide for responsible and experienced explorers. IP: 95.144.199.155
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Posted: 24/04/2018 21:10:28
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Or perhaps some mine explorers just want to have a look around?

If someone was to ask to have a look around, would the request be refused?

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Colin McClary

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Posted: 24/04/2018 21:23:03
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So you condone lock cutting? IP: 95.144.199.155
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Posted: 24/04/2018 21:32:58
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Don't answer a question with a question. You are in a unique position in Cornwall, We all know how the mine exploring community work, if you deny access, expect your locks to be chopped.

Did you think this would not happen?




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The Fresh Prince of Portreath

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Posted: 24/04/2018 21:35:49
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My understanding is that following the HMI inspection, the adit was secured as a part of the necessary activity. Perhaps something to do with parts of Geevor being active, which puts the rest of it officially inactive, with the liability/responsibility associated with it.

Last time I was there, we went over the top of the gate and went back a few months ago and saw the big chains and new metalwork over the top and then went off in other adits. There was a sign explaining the above, which was "fair enough".

After we had been in various holes and arrived back in the levant carpark, the St Just Caving Club turned up and ran off in the direction of the adit, like there was a rescue going on. I heard later on that this was the birthday of one of their members and the St Just Lot have the keys to the mine (which is a working mine and no-one is allowed in, etc, etc).

It appears to me that this is a bit of territorial empire nonsense. This was further reinforced when I gather Gary, an ex-Geevor miner approached the St Just Lot for a trip in the adit (he used to run a stope and worked there for many years) and wasn't even acknowledged.

Is it a wonder that people go in there and chop locks off?

In other news, it appears that the grille at Mount Wellington has been bypassed by someone knocking the wall down. Again, I gather Cornwall Mine Explorers Club have the keys to the top of the shaft and getting the key should involve a quick phone call.

We have the continued lock wars going on in the tamar valley with PCG (on behalf of all of the important people) gating and locking everything and then frustrated parties going around chopping them off.

It makes my head hurt.

The internet has bought all sorts of people together and they are running around in all sorts of groups and there are the "old clubs" (cornwall mine rescue aka CMEC, St Just and PCG) and they are mostly hostile/indifferent to access requests to "their mines".

It is certainly well and good when a working mine locks it's doors, but when a club gives itself special access for itself and it's pals and people get wind of it and communicate, is there any wonder that things get torn off/knocked down/hacked off with a gas axe.

What we need is a bit more cooperation, a bit more openmindedness and everyone taking everything with a massive pinch of salt.

I am aware that following my membership of PCG (many years ago). I was tarred with a "that bloody SD is running around chopping locks off things and being naughty" and that was largely BS peddled by a particular access hitler. We did climb over the gate at Geevor following a CMEC trip (where we were guided around bits of it and I believe it was you Colin who said "we climb over the gate usually". There was hell up between Geoff T and my pal Rich (who was not with us) took some serious incoming fire. Anyway, I would not want to risk that again.

It is an important debate to have and some sort of solution needs to be tabled. Things will always get cut by prats and hillbillies, but it is my opinion that a lot of this lock war is based on nonsense about territories.

The old geevor padlock may not be appropriate with the regs anymore, but perhaps something which allows people in/OUT with their own knowledge (a code, perhaps) may make more sense and may keep the thing secure rather than people chopping it off.

Of course, the reaction is to put an even bigger door on it with even bigger locks and CCTV and an alarm system, but the whole lot will probably get chucked in the sea by a load of coordinated people who disagree with it!

I understand the reasons for gating and I largely respect them, but if there is going to be continued nonsense among the explorer "community", this will perpetuate.

I have a work hat to wear responsibly now, so I'd rather keep it matter of fact and not drag personalities into it, or get my willy out for a good wave.

Most importantly, it would appear that most of us are in the same subject enthusiasm boat.

It is also my opinion that you put enough explorers together and they will end up rioting. It's always the way. Laugh

Anyway, no hard feelings. I always have my ear to the ground and I'm always approachable.

S

Also, can we not spark off a riot on here please?
IP: 104.238.169.46 Edited: 24/04/2018 21:38:01 by The Fresh Prince of Portreath
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Posted: 24/04/2018 22:03:46
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I agree with everything HRH His Freshness says.

I have never been in Geevor adit but understand its one of the best trips in Cornwall. I have tried in the past to get on a trip and been looking forward to a "permission granted" trip that didnt happen (as mentioned above).

We all know the "St Just lot" are allowed in but you deny others, to then get upset that your lock was chopped on one of the best trips in Cornwall seems a bit silly, you really should have anticipated this and maybe shrug it off or at least learn from it.

When you deny access like this, you isolate yourself from the wider community, its a great shame as you miss out on all whats going on, also posting in this manor is going to put all eyes on your site and maybe even publicise it to a wider audience.

Before you think I am a C--T, please realise I am a regular paying Geevor customer. I visit many times a year, eat in the restaurant and bring other people to see the site. We are all interested in the history of Cornwalls mining, some more so than others.

I am not your enemy, much to the contrary, you just need to take a step back and consider the wider picture. LET US HAVE A LOOK AROUND!



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Posted: 24/04/2018 22:18:27
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I remember going in there ages ago and finding a load of wagons tipped over next to rails. We went back and couldn't find them again. I was looking at a rather good adit plan the other day and I couldn't figure out where it was.

I think it might have been towards Carne Shaft, although I can't remember.

This was C2010ish

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Peter Burgess

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Posted: 24/04/2018 22:20:00
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Not being a local explorer, I cannot comment on the rights and wrongs of the situation. But it never ceases to disappoint me every time something like this happens that all the apologists for petty criminals come out. You may think the locks and gates are wrong, you may think those that install them are using the wrong solution to the problem they have, but if you are going to criticise those that act in a way you don't like insofar as allowing access is concerned, the very least you should also do is condemn the damage done to someone else's property. IP: 91.125.227.157
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Posted: 24/04/2018 22:31:47
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It is a regrettable and probably avoidable situation.

The thing is, neither side are prepared to reach some sort of solution, so sadly, it will perpetuate.

I've been in all of these places with gates on them and I just feel sorry for those who are coming along, with the sense of wonder about the subject getting caught up in this nonsense. (Because it has only recently been padlocks, rather than "other" methods).

On that note, I don't think I have any more to add.
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