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Hi,I'm on holiday in Scotland and might have a spare day. Any mining remains around to look at? Surface stuff is fine. Cheers Tony. IP: 31.54.119.0
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*PERTHSHIRE

Aberfoyle Bat Reserve. NGR NN 505 032 Landranger 57 An old slate mine. Gated. 150 yards long. north of Glasgow.
Scottish Wildlife Trust N/L (22) 7, 22-23 Aug 1972; N/L (23) 20 Dec 1972; N/L (24) 11 photo of mine entrance.

Placido, Carmen 1974 (Jan) Aberfoyle bat reserve. William Pengelly Cave Studies Trust N/L (22) 1.

Aberfoyle Slate Quarries NGR NN 503 030 Landranger Aberfoyle
A small, probably man-made, tunnel at the old is reputed by the climbing fraternity to lead into a 200ft deep system of fissure caves. A narrow shaft about 20ft deep is reputed to lead into an extensive underground system in the vicinity of N.G.R. NN 515013. Several unsuccessful attempts have been made to locate this arrangement.
Jeffreys, Alan 2008 Mines in Scotland 7

Aberfoyle NGR NS 498 984 & NS 513 982 Barytes was worked at Arndrum and Gartloaning about 1880. The precise location of these mines is difficult to find due to heavy afforrestation of the area. The Geological Survey (1915) gives the location of the Arndrum Mines as being 2½ miles S.W. from Aberfoyle Station and the Gartloaning Mines as 600 yards N.W. of Gartloaning Farm.
The word `Lead’ is shown on the map at NGR NN 498 951.
It is of interest to note that in 1877, Jules Verne published his book 'The Child of the Cavern', which is a tale of a massive mine, part natural, at Aberfoyle, which covered the counties of Dumbarton, Stirling and Renfrew. The book is alleged to have been inspired by a visit Verne made to caverns at Aberfoyle.
Jeffreys, Alan 2008 Mines in Scotland 19-20
Landless 1
Wilson 1921 105

Abernyte Trail NGR NO 270 310 Explorer Tayside, Perthshire
A copper mine, just north of Baledgarno.
Landless 1
Wilson 1921 140

Ardesnaig Mine NGR 64x 35x Landranger Loch Tay
aka Ardeonaig Mine An interesting series of mine workings approximately 20 metres deep penetrating some 70 metres into the hillside. There are numerous high level trial adits and eye hole drifts and several partially flooded tunnels not explored. Near by is: Corrie Buie Mines[see below] beneath Meall nan Oighreag, south-east of Ardeonaig, Loch Tay, Perthshire. Lead and copper mines.
GSG 3 Ser 5 5
Jeffreys, Alan 2008 Mines in Scotland 21

Ardtalnaig Lead Mine NGR 707 395 Explorer Loch Tay, Perthshire
On the south side of Loch Tay.
Jeffreys, Alan 2008 Mines in Scotland 21
Landless 4
Wilson 1921 104

Ardtalnaig Copper Mine NGR 707 395 Explorer Loch Tay, Perthshire
Fryday, Alan June 1989 Ardtalnaig Copper Mine, Perthshire: Lichens. MSS
Anon 1989 Ardtalnaig Copper Mine, S Loch Tay Perthshire: Bryophyte Report – 21 viii 1989 MSS

Balquhidder NGR Explorer
Trails for lead ore, but no true vein discoved.
Landless 7
Stewart, Duncan, Parish of Balquhidder 39 [in] Sinclair, Sir John 1977 The Statistical Account of Scotland 1791-1799 12 North and West Perthshire with a new introduction by Bruce Lenman. EP Publishing, Wakefield. “several trials have been made, but no proper vein discovered”.

Wilson 1921 104

Beinn Laoigh or Ben Lui NGR NN 29 28 Explorer Perthshire
From luidhe meaning lead. “There are several small veins of lead ore ... behind Fortingall. There is one in Glen Lyon ...”. “The Beinn Laoigh mines are, in fact, situated on the shoulder of its close neighbour Meall Odhar, overlooking Tyndrum, and over the years has a particularly chequered history. In 1739 they were leased by the Earl Breadalbane to an English man, Sir Robert Clifton, ...”. Steven, Campbell 1994 Enjoying Perthshire. Perth and Kinross District Libraries. 12-13

Beinn Odhar Lead Mine. NGR NN 335 333. Landranger 50 Salvona & Young 26

Ben Ledi Mine NGR NN 564 101 Explorer Loch Lubnaig, Perthshire
A lead mine on the N E side of Beni Ledi.
Landless 8
Wilson 1921 104

Corrie Buie Mines NGR NN 706 341 Landranger Loch Tay, Perthshire
An iron mine marked on 1:25,000 OS map, 2½ miles south east of Ardeonaig, on Meall nan Oighreag, Loch Tay. The tip is marked at NGR NN 707 339
Jeffreys, Alan 2008 27 Mines in Scotland, refers to it as on iron mine.
Landless 15 refers to it as a lead mine.
http://www.scran.ac.uk/database/results.php?field=where&searchterm=%22Corrie+Buie+Mines%22&searchdb=scran accessed 03.02.09 nice underground photos.
Wilson 1921 103

Corrycharmaig NGR NN 527 358 Explorer Killin, Perthshire
A chromium mine, 3½ miles south wesy of Killin.
Landless 16
Wartime Pamphlet No 9 (1949) Talc; other Magnesium Minerals and Chromite Associated with British Serpentines. 19

Craiglea Slate Quarry NRG NN 964307 Landranger Logiealmond Parish, Buchanty, Perthshire
Aka Craig Lea. Four km from Buchanty Worked for slate since the late 1600's. An open quarry with several access tunnels cut through adjoining excavations. The Blacksmiths Workshop, Tunnel at NGR NN 94972 32221 is scheduled.
Crae, J. 2005 Craiglea Slate Quarry, Perthshire. GSG 4th Series 2 (3) 19
Jeffreys, Alan 2008 Mines in Scotland 28

Dumyat Copper Mines NGR NS 835 976 Explorer Stirling
Jeffreys, Alan 2008 Mines in Scotland 29

Dunkeld NGR NO 019 438 Explorer Tayside, Perth
An old lead mine marked on the 1st edition 1:25 000 map as a cave. Also known as Queen Charlotte’s Cave.
BB 1 (6) 3 Lady Charlotte hid here in 1704
GSG [1] (2) 2-3
Landless 22
Oldham, Tony 2007 The Remaining Caves of Scotland 46

Duntanlich Mine
McKirdy, A P 2002 2002 Metalliferous minerals [in] Trewin, N H (ed) 2002 The Geology of Scotland. The Geological Society, London. Case study: proposal to extract barytes at Duntanlich, Perthshire. 476.
Pollock, Alan 1991 Proposed Barytes Mine at Duntanlich. Aberfeldy, Environmental Advisory Unit, University of Dundee. 19, illus.
Pollack,S H A, Begg, H M, Bell, D, Hood,J, Ingram, H A P, Jones, A M, Mcmanus, J M, & Robertson, J R. 1991. Proposed Barytes Mine at Duntanlich: Environmental Statement. Environmental Advisory Unit, University of Dundee. [I have a similar report by CSM. The CSM report was probably produced around the same time - although it could be later, as the proposals were rejected following a public inquiry, and appeals and revised applications have rumbled on for a decade. CSM Associates, the commercial arm of Camborne School of Mines, was formed in 1987.
Colin McLeod, personal communication 16.05.07]
Duntanlich barite mine
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-30778716
accessed 260215 Perthshire


Foss Barite Mine NGR NN 815 545 Landranger 52, At Meall Tairneachan, Aberfeldy.
Cairns, W J and Partners 1980 Dresser Minerals International Inc. Barytes Mining Developmemt, Foss, Perthshire, Scotland. Evironmental Inpact Assessment Vol 1 Summary.
Gaton, Rosalind, 1986 The Foss Baryate Mine, Aberfeldy. The Edinburgh Geologist (19) 20-22 not seen
Green and Todd 25 Foss Mine, Aberfeldy.
Visit to Foss Mine, accessed 18.04.07
http://uk.geocities.com/emiougs/tuesday_17.htm
http://www.scran.ac.uk/database/record.php?usi=000-000-032-566-C
accessed 3.3.07
A mine at Foss in Perthshire began to produce around 50,000 tons of barytes annually in the mid-1980s, supplying around ¼ of Scotland's offshore oil industry's needs.
http://www.rls.org.uk/database/record.php?usi=000-000-001-292-L
accessed 3.3.07
McKerracher, Archie 2022 [First ed 1988] Perthshire in History and Legend. Edinburgh, John Donald Publishers Ltd. 107 Fictional Coal Mine at Aberfoyle. cf Jules Verne Les Indes Noires [The Black Diamond] .
Rice, C M 2002 Metalliferous minerals [in] Trewin, N H (ed) 2002 The Geology of Scotland. The Geological Society, London. Aberfeldy baryte deposits 437-440

Glammis Mine NGR NO 38x 46x Explorer Tayside, Perthshire
A small lead mine is said to have existed in 1770 at the east end of the village. Not located.
Landless 26
Wilson 1921 107

Kindram NGR NS 498 951 Explorer Gartmore, Perthshire
About 2 miles south west of Gartmore. The word `lead´ is marked on the 1st edition 1:25 00 OS map.
Landless 34

McCann's Coal Mine NGR NT 024 898 Explorer Comrie, Perthshire
Jeffreys, Alan 2008 Mines in Scotland 39

Meall Luaidhe Mine NGR NN 579 447 Explorer Killia, Perthshire
A lead mine. [Luaidhe = lead]. On the north and north west slopes of Meall Luaide, 2 miles south west of Ben Trawers, by Killia. This mine dates from about 1730
Jeffreys, Alan 2008 Mines in Scotland 39
Landless 46
Wilson 1921 102

Meall nan Qigreag Mine NGR NN 702 340 Explorer Loch Tay, Perthshire

Meall nan Oighreag Mine. NGR NN 704 339 Landranger 51 Loch Tay, Perthshire
Jeffreys, Alan 2008 Mines in Scotland 39
Salvona & Young 14-15 S.

Newtyle North Quarry Cave NGR NO 045 413 Landranger 53 Dunkeld
Colin McLeod writes:
I had more success with the cave at Newtyle North Quarry near Dunkeld - the one that had a tinker's legend that it contained a tunnel leading to Dunkeld. I visited it on 3 February. A track from the A984 leads up to the quarry, and a steep indistinct path below the south-east face of the quarry leads to the cave above a jumble of huge boulders. As described in 'Scottish slate quarries', it is a cave about 20 m deep created by quarrying, tapering towards its inner end. The entrance is partly blocked by a cone of quarry waste, so the floor slopes steeply downwards for its whole length. Despite this, due to its high ceiling and large arched entrance, it is very open and light - no torch required. It is much used by climbers for practising overhangs, and the ceiling is covered by their permanently-fixed equipment.
Fleming, Maurice, 1995 The Ghost o’Mause and other tales and traditions of East Perthshire. With a forward by Sir William Macphersson of Cluny. Edinburgh, The Mercat Press. 94-95 The Clutching Hand. Two children get lost in a tunnel and the rats ate one of them, so all that was left was a hand. Tinkers use to live in the entrance to this tunnel It is easy to see how they might have used a story like this to deter their children from playing in it.
Walsh 2000 Scottish Slate Quarries. Edinburgh, Historic Scotland. 77

Perth Prison Tunnels NGR NO 122 211 Landranger Perth
An intricate system of tunnels leads from Perth prison to a landing stage on the River Forth. These tunnels were connected during the Napoleonic wars and were arranged to transport prisoners of war to different parts of the prison. The one tunnel from the landing stage leads to a round house, where the passage splits; at this point the prisoners were segregated and marched along the separate tunnels. A series of round houses and further intersections on the branch tunnels further sub-divided the prisoners, until very small groups were herded directly into their cells. The system is still 'open' but, for obvious reasons, is heavily gated at regular intervals.
Jeffreys, Alan 2008 Mines in Scotland 10

Tam Lachie’s Cave NGR NR 835 978 (summit) Landranger 57 Dumyat
In fact a mine working on the slopes of Dumyat. Probably from a personal name?
Watson 1995 The Ochils /Placenames, History and Tradition. Perth and Kinross District Libraries. 130

Tomnadashan Mine see Tullich Mine

Tillicoultry Glen Copper Mine NGR NS 911 983 Explorer Tillicoultry, Perth
Lies 200 metres upstream from the Daiglen/Gannel Burn junction. Copper was worked in the burn from the most northerly working at NS 909 986 to the most southerly at NS 913 977
Jeffreys, Alan 2008 Mines in Scotland 44
Landless 60 gives NGR 912 981
Wilson 1921 105, 144

Tullich Mine NGR NN 693 380 Landranger 51 Loch Tay, Perthsire
aka Tomnadashan Mine. One mile south west of Ardtalnaig.

Anon 1990 Tomnadashan Mine, Site of Special Scientific Interest.
http://gateway.snh.gov.uk/pls/portal/sitelink.show_site_document?p_pa_code=1543&p_doc_type_id=1
accessed 16.05.07

Anon ND Russell Society Trip Report to Tomnadashan Copper Mine and Lochan na Lairage.

Management Statement for Tomnadashan Mine SSI
http://gateway.snh.gov.uk/pls/portal/sitelink.show_site_document?p_pa_code=1543&p_doc_type_id=2
accessed 16.05.07

Sitelink
http://gateway.snh.gov.uk/portal/page?_pageid=53,910284,53_920284&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL&UNIT_ID=&DESIGNATION_ID=&CONTAINS=mine&LA_ID=
http://gateway.snh.gov.uk/portal/page?_pageid=53,910305,53_910314&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL&PA_CODE=1543&NEW_WINDOW=false
accessed 16.05.07

Bainbridge, Jack 1970 A Nineteenth Century Copper Working. Tomnadashan, Lochtayside. Industrial Archaeology 7 (1) 60-74

Bainbridge, Jack Oct 1980 Lord Breadalbane’s Mines. Scots Mag 114 (1) 38-45, illus. One mile south east of Ardtalnaig, on the south side of Loch Tay at Tomnadashan NGR NN 693 380 Landranger 51 [mainly Cu, not to be confused with Tyndrum]

Coppins, A M & B J 2004 Site Conditions Monitoring for Lichens in Scotland. Tomnadashan Mine SSI. 1 Establishing Baseline Site Condition Monitoring. Scottish Natural Heritage. 26, 21 figs.

Deveria, R 2001 Tomnadashan-A re-examination of a nineteenth century copper mining and smelting operationin Perthshire, Scotland. Journal of Historical Metallury 35 (2) 87-98

Devéria, Richard A A 2001 Draft –Tomnadashan-A re-examination. Published in J Hist Metallurgy 35 (2) 17 pp, 10 photos, map.

Goodenough, Kathryn 1999 Tomnadashan Mine NGR NN 693 380 Landranger 51 Site if Special Scientific Interest. Earth Science Management Brief Project. 33. illus, 12 photos.

GSG Ser 4 2 (4) 25 S [refers to GSG Ser 3 1 (4) 29]. Salvona & Young 14-16 S aka Tomnadashan Mine cf.

Hunt 104

Jeffreys, Alan 2008 Mines in Scotland 45

Landless 60 gives NGR NN 6991 377

McKerracher, Archie 2022 [First ed 1988] Perthshire in History and Legend. Edinburgh, John Donald Publishers Ltd. 90 Copper veins at Tomnadashan

Pattrick, R A D 1984 Sulphide mineralogy of the Tomnadashan copper deposit and the Corrie Buie lead veins south of Loch Tayside, Scotland. Minerlogical Magazine 48 85-91

Wheater, Hilary 1982 Kenmore to Loch Tay. Appin Publications, Aberfeldy. 19 location map.

Wilson 1921 140

Urlar Burn Trials NGR NN 828 452 Explorer Aberfeldy, Perth
Several lead trials at the burn 3½ miles south west of Aberfeldy.
Landless 63
Wilson 1921 104

Wood of Condie NGR NO 078 133 Explorer Bridge of Earn, Tayside, Perth
A lead mine above Rossie Farm, 4½ miles south west of Bridge or Earn.
Landless 65

Stone, P. Editor 1996 Geology in south-west Scotland / An excursion guide. Keyworth, Nottingham, British Geological Survey. 182

Wilson 1921 106
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Robertson, James. The Parish of Callendar [in] Sinclair, Sir John 1977 The Statistical Account of Scotland 1791-1799 12 North and West Perthshire with a new introduction by Bruce Lenman. EP Publishing, Wakefield. 149-150 footnote. Lead mine at Benledi, and some ore at Tomaseridan [?Tomnadashan]

Robertson, James. Parish of Little Dunkeld. [in] Sinclair, Sir John 1977 The Statistical Account of Scotland 1791-1799 12 North and West Perthshire with a new introduction by Bruce Lenman. EP Publishing, Wakefield. Birnam, slate, lead, etc.

Robertson, James 1799 General View of the Agriculture of Scotland in the County of Perth with Observations on the Means of Improvement. 36 “Some copper ore was discovered some years ago at Benledi near Callander.”

M’Ara. Parish of Fortingal. Sinclair, Sir John 1977 The Statistical Account of Scotland 1791-1799 12 North and West Perthshire with a new introduction by Bruce Lenman. EP Publishing, Wakefield. 428 lead ore.

M’Ritchie, William. The Parish of Clunie [in] Sinclair, Sir John 1977 The Statistical Account of Scotland 1791-1799 12 North and West Perthshire with a new introduction by Bruce Lenman. EP Publishing, Wakefield. 246 minerals.

Stuart, Patrick. The Parish of Killin Sinclair, Sir John 1977 The Statistical Account of Scotland 1791-1799 12 North and West Perthshire with a new introduction by Bruce Lenman. EP Publishing, Wakefield. 479-480 Lead mine at Clifton. 486 Lead mine at Carn-dron (Carndron)


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I would try to find some locals. Access is a *very* different ballgame in Scotland.

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I was intrigued by McCann's Coal Mine at Comrie, a geological impossibility. The only things of Carboniferous age around Comrie are some dykes, everything else is older and mostly metamorphic. I am preparing to move house and have packed all my books away so can't check, but I think the Welsh had something similar, a coal mine that was impossible, in Radnorshire, probably in one of David Bick's books. But then I checked the grid ref and it was the other Comrie, but that is not in Perthshire, and any coal adits there will have been sealed long ago.

I read the Jules Verne story of the Aberfolyle coal mines some years back, and laughed all the way through, especially when Loch Katrine disappeared down the mines! He should have checked his geology. There are traces of Carboniferous strata, including coal measures, slightly to the west of Stirling, but not more than a few hundred yards beyond the base of the castle rock, or for that matter, the Wallace Monument. Certainly not under Gargunnock (Old Red Sandstone, and volcanic) and other places mentioned.

If you want a good laugh, you can usually get a free copy from Project Gutenberg, but there seems to be something wrong with their site right now, as it keeps telling me I don't have permission to view files which I know are freely downloadable.
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Hi there, thanks so much for all the great information! Visited loch Tay today and mentioned the mines on the south side of the loch to a chap in the crannog center. Got some rough directions and after a fair drive saw some spoil tips. Promptly abandoned the car and family and had a look.some walling and building remains at a lower level. Higher up some largish caves with obvious copper staining to the roof. At the bottom of these were the adits going both ways with ochrous water. Pics taken and will pop some on here later. I'm not sure which mine it is as there are three on the same hillside. Some copper mineralisation visible in the tips. All on access land as far as I'm aware.
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If you have time you could head further west to Tyndrum, where there are plenty of lead mine remains (follow the zigzag up the hill), and the gold mine at Cononish. IP: 86.5.249.141
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Unfortunately the rest of the week is bookedSad When I can work out how to post some pics it would be nice to identify where I visited though! One of the caves had a couple of fluffy toy white rabbits stuck in the walls if that helps!! I am interested in the nature of the base rock here too and how the ore was dressed?
Thanks again for all the info. This site is great! Tony.
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tiger99 wrote:

I was intrigued by McCann's Coal Mine at Comrie, a geological impossibility. The only things of Carboniferous age around Comrie are some dykes, everything else is older and mostly metamorphic. I am preparing to move house and have packed all my books away so can't check, but I think the Welsh had something similar, a coal mine that was impossible, in Radnorshire, probably in one of David Bick's books. But then I checked the grid ref and it was the other Comrie, but that is not in Perthshire, and any coal adits there will have been sealed long ago.


Spot on, except in one important respect. The village of Comrie was until about 1890 was just about in Perthshire which until this time included for ecclesiastical reasons the parishes of Culross and Tulliallan. This is an area awash with mining history (coal and Ironstone)

see http://maps.nls.uk/view/74400163

Even after reorganisation, when Culross & Tulliallan became part of Fife, Perthshire maintained an interest in coal mining until 1973 when Dollar Colliery at West Pitgober (now firmly planted in Clackmannanshire) was finally abandoned.
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devondorset wrote:

One of the caves had a couple of fluffy toy white rabbits stuck in the walls if that helps!!


That sounds very much like this place...

http://www.aditnow.co.uk/Photo/Photographs-Of-Tomnadashan_96011/

It's where the Killer Rabbit scene from Monty Python's Holy Grail was filmed, hence the white rabbits.

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Fantastic. Fetch forth the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch - so you may blow thine enemy to tiny bits - in thy mercy. IP: 109.146.17.94
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devondorset wrote:

Hi there, thanks so much for all the great information! Visited loch Tay today and mentioned the mines on the south side of the loch to a chap in the crannog center. Got some rough directions and after a fair drive saw some spoil tips. Promptly abandoned the car and family and had a look.some walling and building remains at a lower level. Higher up some largish caves with obvious copper staining to the roof. At the bottom of these were the adits going both ways with ochrous water. Pics taken and will pop some on here later. I'm not sure which mine it is as there are three on the same hillside. Some copper mineralisation visible in the tips. All on access land as far as I'm aware.
Best wishes Tony Big Grin


Apologies for zombifying an old thread, but I'd be very keen to see these photos if you still have them! I've ridden past those mines many times and have always been keen to see more of what's hidden beneath and within them!

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