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Posted: 04/02/2018 12:44:53
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Hi guys looking at buying wheel lovelle engine house near we drown. Looking for any information on the shaft, or history looking at the side it had a double storey outhouse on the side and the planning permission is for a single level dwelling nooner got any old maps or drawings or know where to start , would also love to get in touch with anyone who has done this before. I am trying to find a community to restore it so that it looks its best. Any trades men shaft capping stone masons that you know that can do this beauty justice let us know. Plus is anyone has experience even horror stories please share IP: 82.68.202.118
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Posted: 04/02/2018 13:49:01
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Have a look at these from "Grand designs"

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=grand+designs+engine+house+conversion&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwirsKL9sozZAhXKJsAKHSgkBysQsAQIKA&biw=1352&bih=643
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Posted: 04/02/2018 17:55:08
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See this thread for a previous discussion concering this engine house and shaft: https://www.aditnow.co.uk/community/viewtopic.aspx?t=12931 IP: 5.66.108.74 Edited: 04/02/2018 17:55:22 by Graigfawr
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Posted: 04/02/2018 22:37:22
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Do not buy a property with mining features unless you know exactly what you are doing, or can afford to lose your money.

I would go a step further and suggest that if a vendor of a site likely to be affected by mining features has not had an investigation done (which clarifies the situation) they are either skint and cannot afford a few £k, or they expect they have nothing to gain from having this done.

CAVEAT EMPTOR.

NB:- there is more on site than just the shaft, and that's potentially the problem.

IP: 185.230.125.35 Edited: 04/02/2018 22:44:01 by The Fresh Prince of Portreath
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Posted: 05/02/2018 13:16:09
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I'd very much echo FPP's comments; stop and consider why the seller is not doing the development themselves.

Yes, engine houses can be converted to make nice homes but there are so many possible nasty surprises you either need to know how to find them yourself, or pay someone who does have the know-how.

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Posted: 05/02/2018 16:19:18
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It's the same with so many houses at auction. All you've got to do is look at those at the bottom price range in Redruth or St Day.

"Due to an adverse mining survey (note the ambiguous use of the word survey) this is offered as a cash only sale"

Which means that if banks will not touch it, neither should you.

In this case, the first thing you should do is ask for a copy of the "mining report", this will either be a search, which shows that it's probably got a hole under it, or a drilling investigation, where it HAS a hole under it.

A failed drilling report will generally say something like "Take the findings of these reports to a mining/engineer and get them to design a remediation scheme to lessen the risk of it all collapsing".

In Cornwall, this means the following as well.

1. You could also try and sell it to someone who is mad/desperate as a cash sale.

2. The diligent hillbilly investor may want to add this potentially dangerous building to their rental portfolio, because there are no rules, no-one has been killed like this for a while and you can get a great return on your investment. Note a £20k auction wreck will still rent out like a £200k one. Remember the people renting are second class animals and there are plenty of them if someone makes a fuss.

The guy is looking at selling a potentially very nice building for a "proper" sum of money. This isn't £10k, it's well over £100k, so for that money, he would be wise to invest a few quid in finding out (via a drilling/trenching investigation) whether it is at RISK of collapsing into a hole.

Since I gather parts of the field have already collapsed down a hole and the plans may show that the Engine Shaft is not the one referred to on the plans and that might be somewhere else and actually, the whole site might be looking a bit dodgy, hole wise, not just the Engine Shaft (not Rogers Shaft), the owner has either not sought advice and is just getting rid of it in total ignorance (of the mining features) or he knows it's probably a dog and has baited his hook fishing for a romantic and reckless idiot.

Concrete and the people who design it's shape in mining holes are usually very very very expensive. This isn't a matter of doing a Cormac and tipping a load in there. If the future owner does want it to be lendable againstable and insurable about it staying on the surface, the work needs to be done properly and recorded by people with the right letters after their name and insurance to back up what they are doing. Not bill and dave from the pub.

Remember the total value of a site is:-

land value + work required = final value.

The guy has his land value price and an estate agent could probably suggest a final value for the finished property at a given standard. Work required usually means stuff like pointing, roofing, flooring, finishing, but in this case it also includes the fixing of the mine workings. This could be (and we've done similar) anything from £15k for a simple fixing of the shaft to an unholy "it's all ruined" job which would be as much as you can imagine.

Weem in Kernow. So if you've got the money in the bank, just bang it together and rent it to some mugs.

There are plenty of estate agents prepared to turn a blind eye towards this sort of thing.

You will note the lack of detail and the way that various parties are not really prepared to talk about this detail, because the person who presently owns the building is the client and they must not have their asset depreciated by anything, including the truth.

If the place did have a drilling/trenching site investigation done on it, it would then be a factor in the finished price minus the mining works, minus the building works price indicator of what would be a fair asking price.

Obviously, it's not general housing stock, but the rules of sense apply.
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It isn't a very nice thing to admit, but if you ask people involved in these things to tell a few stories, you will be introduced into a world of fraud, miss-selling, poor professional practice, mutual back scratching and a zillion other thing that some hillbillies in suits get up to that one would automatically think they would never. Including some of the big names. However, not to tar them all with the same brush, there are some very clear, professional and decent people out there as well.

It is up to you to work this out for yourself and if you can't, seek the appropriate level of advice.
IP: 185.216.50.55 Edited: 06/02/2018 00:55:30 by The Fresh Prince of Portreath
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Posted: 05/02/2018 16:19:52
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There is a chap on here who renovated an engine house, worth hitting him up (https://www.aditnow.co.uk/Profile/?uid=1070).
It think this is the person who did the wheal enys engine house: https://www.aditnow.co.uk/Profile/?uid=14843

All the information that was supplied as part of the planning application can be found here by searching for "east wheal lovell": http://planning.cornwall.gov.uk/online-applications/

If you are planning on buying, be prepared to have your hopes and dreams totally smashed. It's going to be expensive, grotty, stressful and gruelling. And most of all, you're dealing with the total unknown. I would recommend not buying unless you have deep pockets and lots of time.
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