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Another Peak District run-in
Posted: 14/01/2018 20:48:56
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I was informed late last week and have now seen for myself that there's been yet another mine run-in on Hucklow Edge. This time it's Old Grove Mine, which is the one immediately to the east of Silence Mine. It's taken out the footpath, with the result that the Silence site has been closed to the public, but can be clearly seen from the bridleway above. First Speed Grove, then Slater's Engine, then Have-At-All, and now this one....

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Another Peak District run-in
Posted: 15/01/2018 19:24:19
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Well, the BBC's Countryfile ran the story a few years ago about the Foolow hole, where the 'landowner', a genial chap, was very briefly interviewed in 'his field', and he explained in a very reassuring fashion that it was more than likely just old timber-supported 18th C levels rotting and collapsing below, and not much to worry about really.

He was very relaxed indeed about a 40m-wide and deep hole appearing unexpectedly on his land, as they generally are in Derbyshire. Except of course that these passages would all be in limestone, over 100m down and way below the shale cap - and rake fissures generally don't need timber for support, apart from a holding up few old deads.

ITV's Calendar, possibly smelling a rat, despatched their reporter David Hirst to the scene, as he intercepted me and a mate as we were leaving, asking if we would be prepared to comment on camera about the possible causes - we both had to refuse owing to a lack of hard evidence (apart from Countryfile's sterling work), and a possible conflict of interest, to say nothing of self-incrimination! After all, how could us two ordinary guys possibly know what went on down there?

We suggested he go and chat to the neighbouring landowner about the situation, because if the collapse had happened on that side of the road, it could have got considerably more interesting. I often wonder what came out of that interview, if it took place.

Anyway, without any other obvious explanation for the almost simultaneous collapse of four old mines in a very close area, if it's not rotting timbers, then it must be malevolent goblins!
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Posted: 27/01/2018 10:35:52
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You say that its taken out the footpath but can you be more precise as to where this footpath has been effected and to what extent?
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Posted: 27/01/2018 18:36:06
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They should have got a beard who specialises in holes that are on the move to comment! IP: 104.238.169.92
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Posted: 27/01/2018 21:17:03
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It's got some sideburns that specialise in sarcasm casting a knowledgeable eye over it instead....

As to exactly where the latest hole is, it's slightly to the west of the public footpath from Bradshaw Lane up to the Bretton road and has taken out a section of the permissive path that runs through the Silence and Old Grove site, close to the interpretation board.

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Posted: 15/02/2018 19:29:50
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Nice to see someone can relate what's going on underground to the surface especially when it runs near a footpath - thank you AR IP: 86.175.14.116
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Posted: 15/02/2018 20:00:28
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If my memory serves me correctly, I always understood that Hucklow Edge Vein is also a fault, and as we all know faults can move.
This might be the reason for these holes appearing in the area.
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Posted: 15/02/2018 21:08:51
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There's been no recorded seismic activity in the Peak of late that I'm aware of, and the collapses have taken place over several years rather than in the aftermath of any tremors.

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Posted: 16/02/2018 22:06:27
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Do not forget even in the U.K. we have 300 earthquakes a year. Of which 30 can and will be felt.
Hence my point, some sligh movement can do a lot of damage in ground which has never been consolidated.
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Posted: 17/02/2018 09:01:56
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Maybe so, but I'll refer back to my original point that there have been five runs (apparently there's a new hole just appeared on Speed Grove) in as many years in a fairly small area. The eastern end of Eyam Edge, which is just as heavily undermined, hasn't seen any, nor have any of the other areas in the Peak where t'owd man followed the veins under shale cover. If earth tremors were making things move then you'd expect to see at least one or two holes to appear in those other areas.

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Posted: 17/02/2018 11:31:21
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Diverging from the main topic but I contacted the BGS seismology team a while back to see if there was any correlation between tremors and recent movements at Nenthead. The result a resounding no, the dear old North Pennines are decidedly stable.

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Posted: 17/02/2018 20:25:30
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But not apparently South Wales,!
Not that the Peak District is there!
I am also reminded that when ever the great Lisbon earthquake hit, some time in the mid eighteenth century, it was stated that the mines in the Peak District were abandoned by their miners, simply because the walls etc were shaking!
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