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Jim MacPherson

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Correcting colour on old images
Posted: 22/08/2017 14:51:18
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I've spent some time over the last couple of years putting many of my Dad's mining photos from the 1960's through to the 1990's onto AditNow. Some of them have suffered somewhat from old age and colour degredation.

A number of contributors have noticed this problem and both Yorkshireman and New Stuff have been very helpful in providing tips and examples of how to handle a variety of the issues.

Below is an example of where I've got to, as you can tell not that far! but I just aspire to competence not perfection and I'm only playing about with the simplest end of the adjust options.



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I've decided to stick with "Paintshop" basically because I have a copy of it and Windows 10 updates seem to arbitrarily (moderately droll given this is probably of High Stemple Whim) disable some programs, GIMP for example, also I'm not sure I'll get much further unless I try and learn how to use just one bit of software.

As now I have a little more free time available I plan to start working through most damaged photos and see what I can improve, so any paintshop related comments would be very useful. Additionally does anyone know if it possible to just replace an existing pic on an album rather than delete and re-upload, the latter process seems to give the unfortunate impression adding yet more pics.

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Jim

IP: 146.90.109.175 Edited: 22/08/2017 15:39:43 by Jim MacPherson
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Posted: 22/08/2017 16:24:42
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I'd say you've gone a little too far on that example. Somewhere between the two perhaps?

http://www.sos.bangor.ac.uk/temp/temp.jpg
IP: 147.143.12.215 Edited: 22/08/2017 16:29:31 by Willy Eckerslyke
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Posted: 22/08/2017 16:27:11
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Willy Eckerslyke wrote:

I'd say you've gone a little too far on that example. Somewhere between the two perhaps?


Haha my eyesight must be REALLY bad....I thought it looked great Laugh Surrender

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Posted: 22/08/2017 16:36:59
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Jim MacPherson wrote:

Additionally does anyone know if it possible to just replace an existing pic on an album rather than delete and re-upload, the latter process seems to give the unfortunate impression adding yet more pics.


Excellent work Jim Thumb Up

Unfortunately there's no facility to replace a photo in an album. I'm afraid the only approach is to delete and re-upload. If doing this I'd recommend having two tabs open so you can copy and paste the title and description from the existing photo before deleting it.

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IP: 217.9.203.181 Edited: 22/08/2017 16:51:31 by SimonRL
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Posted: 22/08/2017 16:39:46
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Willy Eckerslyke wrote:

I'd say you've gone a little too far on that example. Somewhere between the two perhaps?

http://www.sos.bangor.ac.uk/temp/temp.jpg


I wouldn't argue with that, it's also the impact of the colour adjustment on other bits, i.e the sky might have been grey but could have been blue, I think I have to play about with the blur option to alter just parts of the image and the stonework colour also seems to wash out a little. As sinker says individual eyesight has an impact as wellBlink

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Posted: 22/08/2017 16:44:08
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Excellent work Jim Thumb Up

Unfortunately there's no facility to replace a photo in an album. I'm afraid the only approach is to delete and re-upload. If doing this I'd recommend having two tabs open so you can copy and paste the title and description from the existing photo before deleting it.


I'll live with that!

Jim
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Posted: 23/08/2017 00:00:08
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If you have mountains of photos to work through, it's well worth taking a look at a subscription for Adobe Lightroom CC and Photoshop CC. I believe the most recent package price is around 9 pounds a month (can’t say exactly, I have an annual subscription in euros here in Germany).

Photoshop has a pretty steep learning curve if you want to do everything it offers (which hardly anyone will ever need), but Lightroom is very intuitive, preserves the input image and lets you reverse all changes you made if anything goes wrong.

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Posted: 23/08/2017 07:15:13
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Thanks Yorkshireman, there are maybe 50 that could benefit from some work doing to them, none as bad as the two Gin Hill waterwheel pics from Beaumont Mine that you worked on. The gin circle pic above is about the worst of the them. It seems to be some of Dad's earliest photos that have suffered the most, could be just age or perhaps the type of film used and probably to compound the problem they were converted on a low res. digitiser . As there are relatively few I'll avoid additional expense and stick with paintshop which does allow changes to be reversed but it's a rather clunky process.

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Posted: 05/09/2017 08:47:37
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It's a wet day, so I'm not going to do some work on Pike Law. Instead I've been playing with JFM's photos and seeing if I can improve some of them.

This is the one from Providence before;



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and after;



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Generally the result seem to make the photo a bit less washed out, from the ones I have done the above ground views seem to give a general improvement and in some cases below ground shots lose some of the blue cast.

So my plan is to replace some of those I've already uploaded, if it gives the impression of attempt to take over the UK photograph board, it's not, as SimonRL says above this is the only way it can be doneInnocent

It leaves a few underground eg Jane's Foot in Brownley Hill and some in Proud's Sump Flat in Smallcleugh beyond my current remedial competence, but I'll work on them another day.

Jim
IP: 147.147.16.1 Edited: 05/09/2017 08:48:32 by Jim MacPherson
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Posted: 05/09/2017 19:08:08
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The difference is comparable, to me, of Ektachrome and Kodachrome slide films - I think the colder Ektachrome was available at 100 and 400 ASA whereas the warmer Kodachrome was 25 ASA and so it limited shots and depth of field due to the light available.

My father was a great fan of Kodachrome and encouraged me to use it - but I have some slides which he took of the tippler wagons abandoned at Kelly Mine which sadly are so shaded by trees as to be virtually useless, and I have slides taken with shutter speeds so slow that shake was a real problem.

Are there any remedies possible?
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Correcting colour on old images - blue sky
Posted: 05/09/2017 20:33:58
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Hi Jim,

Found a couple of minutes (actually a little longer) to tweak JF MacPherson’s shot of Providence Smelt Mill.

It's here: https://www.aditnow.co.uk/Photo/Providence-Smelt-Mill_112794/

Managed to recover the sky for you, but it's difficult to recreate authentic colours without knowing the time of the year it was shot.

Cheers
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Posted: 05/09/2017 21:37:17
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Yorkshireman wrote:

Hi Jim,

Found a couple of minutes (actually a little longer) to tweak JF MacPherson’s shot of Providence Smelt Mill.

It's here: https://www.aditnow.co.uk/Photo/Providence-Smelt-Mill_112794/

Managed to recover the sky for you, but it's difficult to recreate authentic colours without knowing the time of the year it was shot.

Cheers
Y-Man


Laugh I don't think it's ever been THAT sunny up there Laugh

Seriously though, it looks great!Thumbs Up

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Jim MacPherson

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Posted: 06/09/2017 07:12:07
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Yorkshireman wrote:



Managed to recover the sky for you, but it's difficult to recreate authentic colours without knowing the time of the year it was shot.

Cheers
Y-Man


Thanks Yorkshireman,

I was pondering the point about time of year with my brother last night, I kept my effort (not a patch on yours) on the browner side as I think it may well have been late autumn, pity there was only the stand of conifers about.

I'll, boldly, persevere with paintshop now that I seem to have got at least the basics right(ish).

I was quite pleased with the improvement of a couple in Burtersett.

As regards B175's comment about film type, I think Dad mainly used Agfa, but whether he used anything different at times I can't be sure, if so that could explain why only certain of the earliest photos have aged badly.

Jim
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Posted: 06/09/2017 16:56:58
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No snow so not winter Smile

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Jim MacPherson

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Posted: 06/09/2017 17:03:30
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Wise words indeed, unless it was a precursor to global warmingShocked

But that's partly why I preferred late autumn as I would have expected a bit of snow along the wall lines at least if it had been spring.

Jim
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