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John (Gio)

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Tolgarrick Tin Streams Tin Mine
Posted: 22/01/2013 18:03:50
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Hi,

I am interested that the works were still operating into the 1980's.... and that a member of the Williams family and Polkinghorne family were the owners.

I am descended from The Williams family and have documents ie shares and the winding up papers from the 1930/40's that I inherited when for a brief period my Gt grandmother was part owner with siblings and cousins after their aunt Joanna Pryor nee Williams left her shares in her Will 1936 to them.... John Williams who took on the works in 1872... as far as I am aware the works were previously called Tuckingmill Tin Stream.... and John Williams was living in Tolgarrick House previous to taking on the works.

I also have a copy of the contract for the works from the Cornwall Records Office.... it has a map of the working...

I am wondering if it was the same location as the more recent works that closed....

Another thing John Williams eldest daughter married a Polkinghorne and some went to America as listed in John Williams Will.

It would be interesting to know more about the last owners and the location of the works.... because from what I understood the works were removed in the 1960's and now it is Tolgarrick Road with houses.

Many Thanks for reading this

John
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Posted: 22/01/2013 18:20:13
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the last stream works in operation was tolgus on the portreath road (closed 1980s due to crofty having a h.m.s plant) some of the tolgarick plant i belive was removed and was put into storage where i dont know. at one time Ritchard Williams (poldark) was the boss at both stream works at differant times.
my gran was a polkinghorn and i am a williams and work at tolgus !!

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Tamarmole

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Posted: 22/01/2013 18:56:55
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Superb (and very comprehensive) article on Tolgarrick written by the late Richard Williams in the Journal of the Trevithick Society No. 36 of 2011 (see pages 40 - 74).

I am sure that Mike Moore will be able to sort you out with a copy.

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John (Gio)

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Posted: 22/01/2013 20:00:50
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Tolgarrick Tin Streams Ltd Share Certificate No 3


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Posted: 22/01/2013 20:20:36
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Tolggarrack Tin Stream Map 1872

This is a reproduction I made of the Original map on the reverse of the contract John Williams signed up for.

IP: 77.100.86.139 Edited: 22/01/2013 20:25:20 by John (Gio)
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Posted: 22/01/2013 22:23:07
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Tamarmole wrote:

Superb (and very comprehensive) article on Tolgarrick written by the late Richard Williams in the Journal of the Trevithick Society No. 36 of 2011 (see pages 40 - 74).

I am sure that Mike Moore will be able to sort you out with a copy.



I would very much like to see a copy of this article Thumbs Up

Are you able to help me with obtaining a copy

- John
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Posted: 22/01/2013 23:13:12
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I take it you have seen this on the site here,

http://www.aditnow.co.uk/documents/TOLGARRICK-TIN-STEAMS/Tolgarrick-tin-stream.PDF

The heading gives a list of the directors aka the Williams family.......all of them by the looks of it.

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Posted: 23/01/2013 16:48:56
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That's almost all of the Williams Family...

Mrs Pryor is Joanna Williams is the second youngest daughter of John Williams who took out the lease in 1872.

Wm. Williams (Referred to as estate of the late) is one of John Williams Sons ie sister to Mrs. Pryor.

Mrs. Rogers nee Williams is one of Wm. Williams daughters
Mrs. Jenkyns nee Williams is one of Wm. Williams daughters
SB Williams is Wm. Williams eldest son

JH Williams, JC Williams, G Williams and TL Williams are all nephews of Wm Williams (through Wm. Williams older Brother John Williams)

So as you can see it was a bit of a family affair.

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Posted: 24/01/2013 00:46:32
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Just a thought...would those Willams's be the same Williams's as 'Williams Williams,' the coal brick and cement merchants of Redruth circa 1910?

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John (Gio)

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Posted: 24/01/2013 07:18:12
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Not that I am aware as my William Williams (the estate one) had died in 1906... the family were involved in tin streaming and I haven't come across any other activities.

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Posted: 24/01/2013 09:48:55
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From "The Lost Mine of Talybont" yet to be published

David Williams. A sole trader 1907 – 1909

David Williams was the son of Capt Charles Williams of Clettwr Hall who was involved in the mines in the 1870s. The family where a branch of the Williams’s of Scorrier, Cornwall, as in Williams Perran Foundry. Remember that in 1824 there was a draft lease for the mines to this family indicating early interest.
David Williams was truly an outstanding personality, well thought of everywhere he went. In the 1870s he managed mines at Pateley Bridge, Nidderdale, where he was so highly though of that his workforce clubbed together to buy him a silver tea service and some classic volumes. This was reported in the Pateley Bridge and Nidderdale Herald, February 7th 1880. The article is interesting in that it clearly demonstrates attitudes of the times in its reporting of a meeting where the presentation was being made:

“The interesting speeches made by those who addressed the meeting, clearly shows the importance of having a master able to control his workmen, and the only way to achieve this is for each party to know his place.”

I think that comment on this is superfluous; every reader will have their own thoughts.
Anyway, at Talybont only 2 men were employed underground and one ton of lead ore sold. His lease from Sir E. J. Webly Parry Pryse of Gogerddan Estate was taken out in November 1906, and may have been something of a speculation as history was about to repeat itself yet again. In 1908 he entered into a kind of partnership with a mining engineer Mr Archibald Simpson, this set the scene for the final phase of mining at Talybont. cont
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In any event, it was Simpson who put his money up for new developments at the mine; David Williams was a person of unquestionable integrity so Simpson would have felt secure in the partnership. Whether or not David Williams already held the lease when approached by Simpson is unknown.



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Posted: 25/01/2013 00:24:25
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I've a feeling they are different Willumses Roy. As is so in Wales, there are a multitude of them in the phonebook down here.

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Posted: 06/08/2017 18:39:10
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I am a direct decendant of captain David Williams and have some photos of the house he built ClETTWR hall and some photos of the family and some mine related documents.
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Posted: 07/08/2017 11:56:17
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royfellows wrote:

The article is interesting in that it clearly demonstrates attitudes of the times in its reporting of a meeting where the presentation was being made:

“The interesting speeches made by those who addressed the meeting, clearly shows the importance of having a master able to control his workmen, and the only way to achieve this is for each party to know his place.”




Our operations director works to these same principles. We haven't bought her a silver tea service yet though......
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