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Posted: 05/08/2014 20:48:08
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Yeah Yeah yeah Roy.... All VERY interesting..


When can we buy one though..... I can already hear swmbo being delighted by her "New" ......


Stenlight....

When I palm it off on her after buying one of your X5000's Thumbs Up
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Posted: 19/08/2014 11:06:03
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NEWS

New 4 cell power pack.
I am announcing a new 4 cell power pack for EcoStar (4P) 3.7V nominal, and Trigon/X3000 (2S2P) 7.4V nominal.
The new power pack is slightly lighter and smaller than the earlier type and is a lower form factor on the helmet. It also has a small mounting bracket and comes with a pouch so this could be used with an extension cable for belt mounting.
It will be packaged with the X3000 and eventually made available with a Trigon.



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There are no plans to revise Trigon design regardless of the innovations of the X3000 as I am limited by the capability of the Oldham switch.

Lynx X_lamps
I am producing a quantity of X3000 lamps which will be available shortly and can therefore accept advance orders.
The X5000 is temporarily on hold as I am redesigning it with integral switches and also have some 12V charging issues to resolve, nothing to do with the lamp, its to do with changes in component specs of the charger.

A new X1500 low voltage lamp is still simmering in my brain


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Posted: 25/08/2014 14:36:21
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More new stuff

A new version of the popular EcoStar lamp incorporates some new features.

XM-L U2 Emitter, walk mode now 200 lumens for average 1.3 watts battery hit.

Turns on at walk mode, no longer need to flick through the modes for 'what setting is it on'. If standard mode is all you want, then you can just forget the rest are there!
I listened to the feedback, thanks to all who posted.

Max beam output now 625 lumens with no external heatsinking.

Charger now included with the package, same price.



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Economy of power consumption, economy of weight, economy of cost. XM-L 2 U2 technology enables a standard mode of 200 lumens for a battery hit of 1.3 watts at nominal voltage as long as temperature stays below 25 C. Tests confirm that it does on standard mode, but lamp will be hotter after using power modes.

Uses the proven Oldham GT headset, all lamps hand assembled, IP 67 standard waterproof. MUST be best value on the web.


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Posted: 07/10/2014 16:48:14
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Lynx X5000 latest.

I have dumped the external switches in favour of the integrated Knitter waterproof switches fitted to the X3000, so the lamp looks the same as that one except for having 3 series main emitters and the two bright blue battery monitor indicator LEDs.
I have also dumped the compact vest pocked power pack in favour of the blue belt mount pack previously distributed with the MagnumStar.

I will shortly have a black one available, although future production will be in silver same as the X3000.

I am also developing an X1000 to run on a low voltage. Similar electronics to the ultra reliable EcoStar but with the max output raised to 1.8 amps on beam to give 825 lumens, and with a large reflector for better throw.
A prototype I have tested beat a Trigon or X3000 on standard beam of 200 lumens. Much better throw and general illumination, it looks a winner.
In a lightened Lynx body its all aluminium, no copper, and temperature remains below 25 degrees even tested indoors, so full benefit from XM-L2 technology.
The aim is to pitch it as an affordable £125, but it will be no frills to keep the price down, just one switch, beam or floods same as the existing Eco, which there is no intention to discontinue.
I have just obtained more new Oldham headsets, if this is a statement of intent.

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Posted: 04/11/2014 16:41:27
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I am announcing the last Lynx lamp in the line up, the X1000.



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This lamp uses a lightened Lynx headset with the waterproof Knitter switch recessed into the back at the top. It’s out of harms way and very easy to reach.



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This controls beams and floods through three modes, no silly flashes. The lamp weighs a sensible 165 grams which is in the ball park of similar lamps
The lamp is all aluminium except for a copper arm which mounts the flood emitter close to the glass, this is secured by the Knitter Switch which mounts through it, plus some thermal glue.
Although having same electronics as the EcoStar, I have also increased the maximum power to 760 lumens (dont know where I got the figure from in my last posting!) on either beam or floods, unlike the EcoStar both beam and flood emitters are XML-2 U2.
Its basically a no frills job to keep the price down, no ability to mix beams and floods, ‘Nightrider’ battery meter, or pilot light. I question the necessity of a battery meter on low voltage lamps as they don’t really go out, just get dimmer. The low flood is low, same as the EcoStar, and acts as a pilot, company, or close in light. Lowest setting on beams is the 200 lumen walk mode which now goes for over 14 hours on the new Sanyo battery packs.
This lamp carries a much larger reflector than the EcoStar which gives incredible control over the beam output, on the standard walk mode of 200 lumens this actually beats the Trigon and X3000.



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The cost of the lamp is an affordable £125 plus postage, lamp, 2 cell battery pack and charger plus mounting screws etc.




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Posted: 11/11/2014 21:23:05
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The Linx 1000 has been added to my Christmas list Cool IP: 31.185.236.57
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Posted: 11/11/2014 21:54:24
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Many thanks, however there has been a slight design change after underground assessment.

The big reflector certainly works wonders however I am unhappy with the level of peripheral light on the standard mode at which I expect the lamp to be most used.
I have therefore modified the electronics to allow a mere 40mA as constant feed to the floods to accompany the beam. I expect that the effect of this will be magic and be an easy an resources economical way of producing the effect of a mix.
Yet to test underground on the redesign.

I am also in the process of designing a final lamp to complete the selection.
This is designed to cater more for cavers who require something very small and light.
It will be 4V, same electronics and output as the X1000, but in a much smaller and lighter body.
I have decided ideal shape is as the Stenlight but with one lens beam and the other flood. The internal space behind the flood will provide room for the electronics.
Target weight is 125 grams or less, target price is £125. Obviously it will not have the beam power of the X1000, but I have yet to master being able to change the laws of physics.

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Posted: 11/11/2014 22:07:46
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royfellows wrote:

Many thanks, however there has been a slight design change after underground assessment.

The big reflector certainly works wonders however I am unhappy with the level of peripheral light on the standard mode at which I expect the lamp to be most used.
I have therefore modified the electronics to allow a mere 40mA as constant feed to the floods to accompany the beam. I expect that the effect of this will be magic and be an easy an resources economical way of producing the effect of a mix.
Yet to test underground on the redesign.

I am also in the process of designing a final lamp to complete the selection.
This is designed to cater more for cavers who require something very small and light.
It will be 4V, same electronics and output as the X1000, but in a much smaller and lighter body.
I have decided ideal shape is as the Stenlight but with one lens beam and the other flood. The internal space behind the flood will provide room for the electronics.
Target weight is 125 grams or less, target price is £125. Obviously it will not have the beam power of the X1000, but I have yet to master being able to change the laws of physics.

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Posted: 12/11/2014 10:28:24
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royfellows wrote:

Many thanks, however there has been a slight design change after underground assessment.

The big reflector certainly works wonders however I am unhappy with the level of peripheral light on the standard mode at which I expect the lamp to be most used.
I have therefore modified the electronics to allow a mere 40mA as constant feed to the floods to accompany the beam. I expect that the effect of this will be magic and be an easy an resources economical way of producing the effect of a mix.
Yet to test underground on the redesign.

I am also in the process of designing a final lamp to complete the selection.
This is designed to cater more for cavers who require something very small and light.
It will be 4V, same electronics and output as the X1000, but in a much smaller and lighter body.
I have decided ideal shape is as the Stenlight but with one lens beam and the other flood. The internal space behind the flood will provide room for the electronics.
Target weight is 125 grams or less, target price is £125. Obviously it will not have the beam power of the X1000, but I have yet to master being able to change the laws of physics.

Laugh


Pandering to c*vers - sounds like a sell out to me!


I hang my head in shame. Time to take out my Tanto and prepare.

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Posted: 14/11/2014 14:13:30
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I have just redesigned the low voltage power pack for the X1000 and got it down to 182 grams and about 3 inches long in old money. Its still 5.2 AH 3.7V nominal voltage same as the predecessor.



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I find amusement in that its now lighter than an Oldham lamp, go back years and tell someone the day would come when a battery would be lighter than the lamp and they laugh in your face.

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Posted: 17/11/2014 13:24:25
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X1000
Happy with ammended spec. The supplementay flood is hitting the battery for an extra 0.2 watt at walk mode. Beams are at 200 lumens, and the exra light being produced has to be 50 lumens, so now up to 250 lumens walk mode.

The figures in the table on my web are at fresh battery, nominal voltage of 3.7V efficiency will be higher, rising to 100% when battery falls to same as Vf of emitters.

Actual flood output when supplementary to beams is impossible to calculate from the data sheet. Its 40 to 50 mA drive current anyway through an XM-L 2 U2, if someone out there has a way of doing it.

I think I will take this to the bank. so its 1 in stock, another in the making, and awaiting a batch of headset shells for further production.

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Posted: 13/01/2015 16:08:12
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Hi gang

A few things.

My X5000 is now the X6000. As I had to dump the compact 6 cell power pack and the lamp is now offered with the legendary indestructible "light the world for ever" 12 cell belt pack I have dumped the output limiter.
Obviously the lamp will heat up very quickly with both beams and floods at max, so user discretion is required. So I have taken the politically incorrect step of crediting people with having brains rather than put the machine in control.

The new 4 cell 8V pack is temporarily unavailable due to supply issues, so its now back to the previous square pack, but with a sexier bright cable gland and lighter cable.

A bit more on the last of my new lamps.

Its called the "Dragon" and looks like a Stenlight on a very sturdy side bracket. It uses a sturdy rubber covered 6mm cable same the Lynx lamps rather than anything thin.
It uses the latest Cree XP-L technology to produce a nice controlled beam from a 20 mm reflector.
It has choice of flood or beam with beam walk mode at 200 lumens for similar battery hit as Eco and X1000. Early tests indicate that it pees all over Trigon/X3000/Eco at walk mode.

Its low voltage, uses the new 185 gram 2 cell pack, lamp weight with cable less than 125 grams. Max power about 750 lumens beam or flood. Price about £125 when it eventually comes on sale

I am messing about with the mounting bracket at the moment but will post photos and full spec later in the week. Its a good looker, I can tell you that.

I will be extensively using/abusing it myself for a while before offering them for sale, so it will probably be about April before any on offer.
Could still be a non starter if it fails my tests.


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Posted: 13/01/2015 20:03:33
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X6000 sounds excellent - can't really justify it with the Magnumstar still going strong and trips being a bit sparse lately though. IP: 86.151.213.67
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Posted: 13/01/2015 20:23:35
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I will expect to hear nice things about the Dragon
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Posted: 16/01/2015 16:33:33
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Enter the Dragon

Well I thought it about time to reveal details of this project, so here it is. I have to first reiterate what I said before in that it will very likely be April before any of these are available for sale, and even now it could be a non starter if testing does not go well.

The idea was born out of a little torch that one of my Hong Kong suppliers sent me as a gift. Bearing the dreaded “Ultrafire” label I expected junk, but was wrong. First thing that impressed was the output from such a small torch, also its light weight. I then found out it was actually waterproof. Only thing that spoiled it was stupid flashy modes so I took out the driver and fitted my own, job done.
Playing with it underground I was disappointed when holding it at head height to simulate a caplamp I found that I could not see my own feet even when tilting forward, a property of the XP-G emitter behind a tight beam reflector.
I was taking it apart and considering the head with its 20mm reflector and what a small lamp it would make, if only some peripheral light somehow.
The solution would be to power a second bare emitter alongside the beam to do this as I have done in the X1000.
Eventually I came to realise that if you want to make a lamp as small and light as possible with 2 emitters then the optimum shape is the Stenlight. I am not a fan of polycarbonate and prefer glass, but glass adds a lot to the weight. However Sten shaped lamps will have 2 small lenses rather than one large one thus considerably reducing the weight.

Possibilities opened up for a very small lamp with a good beam and yet adequate peripheral light with the emergence of the Cree XP-L emitter. The ones I have give a warmish light with characteristics between the XP-G and XM-L in terms of beam focus. So I have built the lamp around this emitter.

I was also committed to the use of a rubber sheathed cable of type suitable for the rough and tumble of the underground environment so obviously taking this into such a small lamp required special considerations, hence the very sturdy side mount. A bonus is that this design enables a toggle switch to be mounted at the rear, well out of harms way, and yet be easily accessible by the wearer.

Original design was for the lamp to pivot on the cable gland, however this would have entailed me making my own glands and possibly taken the lamp outside the target retail price. So in the end I changed this so it pivots at the rear. Being conscious of the fact that the heavy cable to lamp weight ratio could cause issues I have fitted thumb nuts of black nylon for a user friendly tilt adjust.

From the front, a description.
20mm glass lenses are direct bonded into the lamp.
Both emitters are Cree XP-L V5 driven at a max of 1.8 amps to give about 750 lumens @ 25C and from the new compact 185 gram 4V power pack. Each emitter has 3 modes with beams switching on directly to walk mode at 400 mA to give about 200 lumens. Floods switch direct to max and click down.

Beam reflector is bought in 20 mm, flood reflector I make myself.

Heat transfer to body is by thin copper and very efficient. Opens possibilities for more powerful lamp running 2 series emitters at 8V, but unlikely due to other factors.

Electronics is parallel 7135 linear chips from microcontroller, beams have single chip outside this as a failsafe, so walk mode is always there is controller fails. Basically same circuit as Eco and X1000, it’s just that the number of 7135 chips varies.

Control is by the German waterproof toggle switch used in the Lynx.

Lamp body, basic PCBs, switch and adjust knob bought in components, all brackets and the rest made by me. Bracket bolts direct to helmet with 40mm spaced holes designed to match/replace a Petzl bracket, same as Lynx.

Final weight including cable all brackets and screws is 120 grams, which just pips the Stenlight but is heavier than Mr Bifs latest Monkey.

I used it last weekend in a mine in Derbys, this weekend I will try in a slate mine. So far my impression of the most pleasing lamp to date, it sits very well on my lightweight Petzl Elios helmet. Sumps and waterfalls and knocks will come later.
Please remember as well this is prototype not final version which may differ.



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Beam Shots taken in part of hall at distance of 7 metres, left to right EcoStar, X1000, Dragon. Camera is not doing justice to the level of illumination as the colour temperature is different. Walk mode actually beats the Eco/X3000/Trigon as my eye sees it.

I have been thinking about the future. No helmets are now made with brackets so anyone wishing to fit an Oldham type lamp has 3 stages of fitting, drill helmet, fit bracket, fit lamp.
It makes a lot more sense to buy a lamp designed to fit direct and only have two stages of fitting.
Another consideration is that when a lamp with a swivel bracket is fitted to a helmet with a spade connector the centre of gravity of the lamp is moved slightly forward, hence the perception of weight is increased. In view of this I see the end of the road looming for Oldham type fitted maps for recreational use.


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Posted: 16/01/2015 18:13:12
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Interesting looking bit of kit.

Couple or three queries (apologies if you've already mentioned these and I've missed them):

(1) What is the IP rating on the switch?
(2) What is the shell made from?
(3) How far does the lamp stick out from the helmet compared to an Oldham headshell?

Not convinced that you should write blade mounts off just yet. There are times (apparently) when one wants to use a helmet without a lamp or indeed wants to use a different lamp without having to indulge in engineering works.
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Posted: 16/01/2015 18:47:51
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Tamarmole wrote:

Interesting looking bit of kit.

Couple or three queries (apologies if you've already mentioned these and I've missed them):

(1) What is the IP rating on the switch?



Its IP67, submersible to 1 metre. Same switch as used in the Lynx

Tamarmole wrote:


(2) What is the shell made from?



Aluminium

Tamarmole wrote:


(3) How far does the lamp stick out from the helmet compared to an Oldham headshell?



Can understand this question completely as camera lens tends to show things disproportionately.

From the top pic says it all. Its a small lamp



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Tamarmole wrote:



Not convinced that you should write blade mounts off just yet. There are times (apparently) when one wants to use a helmet without a lamp or indeed wants to use a different lamp without having to indulge in engineering works.


Trouble is that getting an Oldham off a Petzl blade mount is a bit of a screwdriver/lever type of thing. I am just trying to extrapolate the direction things are likely to go.
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Posted: 16/01/2015 18:54:48
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royfellows wrote:

Tamarmole wrote:

Interesting looking bit of kit.

Couple or three queries (apologies if you've already mentioned these and I've missed them):

(1) What is the IP rating on the switch?



Its IP67, submersible to 1 metre. Same switch as used in the Lynx

Tamarmole wrote:


(2) What is the shell made from?



Aluminium

Tamarmole wrote:


(3) How far does the lamp stick out from the helmet compared to an Oldham headshell?



Can understand this question completely as camera lens tends to show things disproportionately.

From the top pic says it all. Its a small lamp



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Tamarmole wrote:



Not convinced that you should write blade mounts off just yet. There are times (apparently) when one wants to use a helmet without a lamp or indeed wants to use a different lamp without having to indulge in engineering works.


Trouble is that getting an Oldham off a Petzl blade mount is a bit of a screwdriver/lever type of thing. I am just trying to extrapolate the direction things are likely to go.
Thanks for your interest


Agreed - I have always thought that the Petzl lamp brackets were poor - no problems with the flatter type as fitted to the Caving Supplies Protex (for example).
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Posted: 16/01/2015 19:00:21
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Yes but I had the other kind of problem. Lamp used to fall off when I got into a bit of an inverted thrutch so to speak.

I think a wise move was making my brackets compatible with the Petzl brackets in terms of hole spacing.

Hey Rick, thinking about it, it took ages to ween you off Oldham belt weights!
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Posted: 16/01/2015 21:14:28
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Thinking about it, it would not be much trouble to produce these with a spade mount. Certainly no more work than the bolt on strip.
I shall probably do this if I decide to go ahead with them, but not very likely with the Lynx due to its design.

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