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Posted: 14/04/2019 23:47:40
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maenofferen= boulder of mass...as in church mass,
consider yourselves schooled! Smartass

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Posted: 15/04/2019 08:10:26
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Gents

I question a lot of this. Surely Maenofferen is a mutation of Maen-y-fferam, this is what is on the early documents. Others more knowledgeable than I in Welsh say this is "stone of the farm"

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Posted: 15/04/2019 11:12:18
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Sometimes listed as Maenofferem, but mostly Maenofferen in old newspapers. Fferem is not farm. Fferm is Farm! Offeren as mass is fine , but as mass of stones, not ecclesiastic (The area maybe holey but ,perhaps, less holy)
A mass of stone seems to make more sense.
I hope that they don't use Mynydd Llechi, as Tomen Llechi (slate heap) would be more apt.
Maen means stone . Craig is rock.
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Posted: 15/04/2019 12:32:27
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euros wrote:

Sometimes listed as Maenofferem, but mostly Maenofferen in old newspapers. Fferem is not farm. Fferm is Farm! Offeren as mass is fine , but as mass of stones, not ecclesiastic.
A mass of stone seems to make more sense.
I hope that they don't use Mynydd Llechi, as Tomen Llechi (slate heap) would be more apt


Your hopes are dashed, it's now Slate Mountain/Mynydd Llechi ..

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Posted: 15/04/2019 13:09:50
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I don't mean to imply that the area is a heap. It's just that in welsh you would refer to a pile of stones as tomen .

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Posted: 15/04/2019 13:22:01
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I don't mean to imply that the area is a heap. It's just that in welsh you would refer to a pile of stones as tomen .
I also hope they don't use Llechryd.
Llechryd means ford of slate!


Euros, I have edited the last post..bloody autocorrect on Adit Now LaughLaughLaugh

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Posted: 15/04/2019 14:32:39
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Ac y finnau.

And me.
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Posted: 15/04/2019 14:34:34
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Llion wrote:

euros wrote:

I don't mean to imply that the area is a heap. It's just that in welsh you would refer to a pile of stones as tomen .
I also hope they don't use Llechryd.
Llechryd means ford of slate!


Euros, I have edited the last post..bloody autocorrect on Adit Now LaughLaughLaugh


No auto correct on AN mate, that's your web browser doing that Thumb Up

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Posted: 15/04/2019 16:07:09
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Sometimes listed as Maenofferem, but mostly Maenofferen in old newspapers. Fferem is not farm. Fferm is Farm!

Fferam means farm in some places where they talk funny, like Anglesey.
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Posted: 15/04/2019 17:00:40
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The spoken word might sound like Fferam , but written it is still fferm- even in Anglesey!Smile IP: 5.80.94.54
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Posted: 15/04/2019 17:13:01
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I don't mean to imply that the area is a heap. It's just that in welsh you would refer to a pile of stones as tomen .

Most of Wales is a heap of stones surely? (ducks for cover).
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Posted: 15/04/2019 18:07:33
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I think most are agreed over 'Maen'?... Rock or Stone.

On the earliest OS map of around 1842 onwards its spelt Maen-Offeren. So unless some Gaelic mutation crept into it (guesting), Fferem as in farm changing to Offerem would be unlikley? Additionally I can't find a Welsh academic reference that lists Fferem as a word.

That leaves the word Offerem then. Translated on academic pages only as Mass in the religious sense. Though today perhaps Mass is associated more so with Catholic church services, the Methodists also use('d) 'Mass' to describe its Eucharist (others less so). So while I think its unlikely a strong enough Catholic presence would be about the area we now call Blaenau Ff.- early industrial, there is an argument such a term could become attached to a location used for religious services having a significant rock or stone about there. (Such as Gladstone Rock at Cwm Llan).

Incidentally there's an interesting postal bun fight between two people writing into 'Y Llan' newspaper around October 1914 over using 'Offeren' to describe the Eucharist service within non Catholic denominations.... At least that's what I think they're griping about.

No more from me on this other than PB may be treading on a very fragile false floor here Laugh

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Posted: 15/04/2019 18:10:31
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Peter Burgess wrote:

euros wrote:

I don't mean to imply that the area is a heap. It's just that in welsh you would refer to a pile of stones as tomen .

Most of Wales is a heap of stones surely? (ducks for cover).


Lovely heaps of sharp heavy stone....strategically left lying around.....handy for throwing at foreigners! Laugh Devil



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Posted: 15/04/2019 18:51:20
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sinker wrote:

Peter Burgess wrote:

euros wrote:

I don't mean to imply that the area is a heap. It's just that in welsh you would refer to a pile of stones as tomen .

Most of Wales is a heap of stones surely? (ducks for cover).


Lovely heaps of sharp heavy stone....strategically left lying around.....handy for throwing at foreigners! Laugh Devil

They must have an awful lot of enemies Laugh
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Posted: 15/04/2019 19:42:17
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euros wrote:

Sometimes listed as Maenofferem, but mostly Maenofferen in old newspapers. Fferem is not farm. Fferm is Farm! Offeren as mass is fine , but as mass of stones, not ecclesiastic (The area maybe holey but ,perhaps, less holy)
A mass of stone seems to make more sense.
I hope that they don't use Mynydd Llechi, as Tomen Llechi (slate heap) would be more apt.
Maen means stone . Craig is rock.


Just to confuse the issue even more, the 1861 Company was called Maen Offeren as two words not one! Confused

The leased (later owned) the quarry until it was taken over by Greaves in 1975.
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Posted: 15/04/2019 19:55:43
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Peter Burgess wrote:

sinker wrote:

Peter Burgess wrote:

euros wrote:

I don't mean to imply that the area is a heap. It's just that in welsh you would refer to a pile of stones as tomen .

Most of Wales is a heap of stones surely? (ducks for cover).


Lovely heaps of sharp heavy stone....strategically left lying around.....handy for throwing at foreigners! Laugh Devil

They must have an awful lot of enemies Laugh


Best to be prepared Wink



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Posted: 15/04/2019 22:56:51
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maenofferen was originaly two words" maen" meaning "BOULDER" NOT ROCK AND NOT STONE ...rock is CRAIG and stone is CAREG, and offeren meaning "mass" as in a religious service used by methodist chapels and maybe also independant chapels in wales nothing to do with a mass of stone, rock or boulders. just ask SAPO he'll know.

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Posted: 16/04/2019 08:29:34
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Peter Burgess wrote:

euros wrote:

I don't mean to imply that the area is a heap. It's just that in welsh you would refer to a pile of stones as tomen .

Most of Wales is a heap of stones surely? (ducks for cover).


Given that, you'd have though by now they'd have reached some sort of agreement on what the word for them is... Laugh
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Posted: 16/04/2019 08:58:28
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euros wrote:

The spoken word might sound like Fferam , but written it is still fferm- even in Anglesey!Smile

Except when it isn't:
https://historicplacenames.rcahmw.gov.uk/placenames/recordedname/2fe40692-0df2-44a5-9fd3-9bfb3efd38ba
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Posted: 16/04/2019 09:51:17
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ttxela wrote:

Peter Burgess wrote:

euros wrote:

I don't mean to imply that the area is a heap. It's just that in welsh you would refer to a pile of stones as tomen .

Most of Wales is a heap of stones surely? (ducks for cover).


Given that, you'd have though by now they'd have reached some sort of agreement on what the word for them is... Laugh
I particularly like this comment, Alex: "Fferam means farm in some places where they talk funny, like Anglesey."
For a non-Welsh speaker, that cover the whole of Wales Smile
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