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Isabel Gott Joined: 01/06/2010 Location: Huddersfield View Profile View Posts View Personal Album View Personal Files View all Photos Send Private Message |
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Posted: 16/02/2012 14:59:13 Reply | Quote It would be a good idea to arrange a trip. There are several Yorkshire lads round this area now on Adit so you should get some interest. If you get interest, I could add some more trips round my neck of the woods ie. Thurstonland and Sallywood and possibly the Lepton area if anybody was interested. -- RL |
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Cyril Maurice Joined: 13/10/2008 Location: West Yorkshire View Profile View Posts View Personal Album View Personal Files View all Photos Send Private Message |
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Posted: 16/02/2012 22:15:12 Reply | Quote Give me a few more weeks to gather more info and I will try and arrange something thanks everone for your interest. IP: 2.125.233.8 |
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Yorkshireman Joined: 23/06/2011 Location: Hanover, Germany View Profile View Posts View Personal Album View Personal Files View all Photos Send Private Message |
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Posted: 16/02/2012 22:35:23 Reply | Quote Hi Richard, feel free to put some colour on it, I had planned to do the map in colour, but this is only a very small part of - it currently covers the area from Fieldhouse Fireclay Works in the west to Netherton Colliery and British Oak Pit at its eastern end (I'll probably extend it through to Crigglestone at the weekend). In the south, I'm around Dogley Lane and the northern boundary is currently just south of Bradley and growing quite fast. The base file is already heading for 150 MB in greyscale, so I don't want to be playing around with colours that could more than double that figure. And, on top of that, reducing the file size would make the resolution suffer the parameters I'm using are already at the bottom limit. I already have map data up as far as the Bowling Ironworks and the mines in West Leeds, so it's a matter of checking out 6 different vintages, picking out what looks interesting, editing and merging the files and then adding data from AN and other sources as transparent overlays or by hand. The final map - months away - will stretch from Denby Dale in the south to Leeds and Bradford in the north, so we're looking at around 800 MB at the least. I'll probably split it up into handier chunks for posting on AN. Cheers IP: 91.43.105.232 |
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Yorkshireman Joined: 23/06/2011 Location: Hanover, Germany View Profile View Posts View Personal Album View Personal Files View all Photos Send Private Message |
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Posted: 16/02/2012 23:02:23 Reply | Quote Hi All, I just uploaded a revised and extended version of the Emroyd map. http://www.aditnow.co.uk/documents/Personal-Album-8946/EMROYD-16-02-2012.pdf Cheers IP: 91.43.105.232 |
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richard4496 Joined: 11/02/2012 View Profile View Posts View Personal Album View Personal Files View all Photos Send Private Message |
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Posted: 17/02/2012 12:47:05 Reply | Quote Cyril Maurice wrote: Give me a few more weeks to gather more info and I will try and arrange something thanks everone for your interest. I was thinking it might be good to have a "tour" on a nice warm sunny day. Something late May or in June. Maybe Spring, but weather is so finiky until late May. When I look at the map of Emroyd Wood there is so much I'd like answering. What I'd like the "Emroyd Tour" to answer, is things like: It seems that early attempts on the site, at coal-mining, involve sinking shafts. There are several items termed "Old Shaft". That probably means disused when the map was drawn up. What are we supposed to understand by "Old shaft"? How did miners get to the coal - by ladder? How was the coal brought to the surface and transported away? Was the shaft sunk with permission? Were fields leased or what? How many men worked at an old shaft? The map shows "Emroyd Colliery". Assuming the old shafts are disused, where was the shaft for the colliery? Is there a network of tunnels under Emroyd wood where coal seams were worked? Did men go down in a cage at Emroyd Wood? What products were being made at the colliery? What is the air shaft for, how did it work? Could an "information pack" be created for the "tour"? Oh, and can someone please tell me (now) what is meant by Purling (spelling) shaft? Is that the main Emroyd Colliery shaft where men went down and coal came up? Thanks. I'll leave most of my questions to be answered on the "Emroyd Tour". 
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Edited: 17/02/2012 12:58:10 by richard4496
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rikj Joined: 27/12/2008 View Profile View Posts View Personal Album View Personal Files View all Photos Send Private Message |
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Posted: 17/02/2012 13:12:50 Reply | Quote richard4496 wrote: I was thinking it might be good to have a "tour" on a nice warm sunny day. Something late May or in June. Maybe Spring, but weather is so finiky until late May. Round about now is one of the best times of year to be peeking around old mining sites. The lack of vegetation makes it a lot easier to read the lie of the land and puzzle out how the site might have worked. A light dusting of snow makes it even better! You'll find a lot of those questions answered in the 1842 Royal Commission Reports. They give a contemporary account of the methods of working etc. Reports available as PDFs here: http://www.cmhrc.co.uk/site/literature/royalcommissionreports/ Start with Yorkshire1, they make grim reading though  -- |
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Yorkshireman Joined: 23/06/2011 Location: Hanover, Germany View Profile View Posts View Personal Album View Personal Files View all Photos Send Private Message |
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Posted: 17/02/2012 13:44:45 Reply | Quote Purling may actually be pumping, some of the labelling on older map vintages is often difficult to decipher. The scanned resolution on the OS Old Maps site leaves much to be desired on the earliest vintages. Cheers IP: 93.199.33.217 |
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richard4496 Joined: 11/02/2012 View Profile View Posts View Personal Album View Personal Files View all Photos Send Private Message |
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Posted: 17/02/2012 15:17:05 Reply | Quote W M I suppose is Winding Machine? If that is so, then I guess the Emroyd Colliery shaft is within on of those buildings near W M? IP: 81.102.97.135 |
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Yorkshireman Joined: 23/06/2011 Location: Hanover, Germany View Profile View Posts View Personal Album View Personal Files View all Photos Send Private Message |
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Posted: 17/02/2012 15:22:39 Reply | Quote No, I don't think so - as far as I know W.M. is a weighing machine, also called a weighbridge, for weighing trucks or lorries entering or leaving a site. Usually situated in front of the lodge at the entrance to industrial sites. IP: 93.199.33.217 |
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richard4496 Joined: 11/02/2012 View Profile View Posts View Personal Album View Personal Files View all Photos Send Private Message |
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Posted: 17/02/2012 16:00:34 Reply | Quote Yorkshireman wrote: No, I don't think so - as far as I know W.M. is a weighing machine, also called a weighbridge, for weighing trucks or lorries entering or leaving a site. Usually situated in front of the lodge at the entrance to industrial sites. Well, anyway, that Emroyd picture must ( I surmise) show the shaft that is being used years after the old shafts became disused. It would, I guess, be the main and last shaft in use. http://www.coxleynews.com/index.php?ids=219x166x166x166xaxxxnx10222x The two chimneys: On left for the coke oven; the bigger one - for an engine that operated winding gear?? Notice a fellow standing bottom right. All clear of course on a detailed map that is sitting around somewhere. P.S. I don't seek all my questions answered in this forum: But, that picture- probably shows the pumping shaft. Must do, because there is a large pipe going sideways into that wooden structure and it's besides a square-sized building. So, I supppose that picture is not showing the shaft where men go down or where coal comes up? But, there are wheels on top of that wooden structure. IP: 81.102.97.135 Edited: 17/02/2012 16:32:32 by richard4496 |
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Darran Cowd Joined: 30/03/2009 Location: Caphouse Colliery View Profile View Posts View Personal Album View Personal Files View all Photos Send Private Message |
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Posted: 17/02/2012 16:41:33 Reply | Quote The two chimneys: On left for the coke oven; the bigger one - for an engine that operated winding gear?? Notice a fellow standing bottom right. All clear of course on a detailed map that is sitting around somewhere. I'm pretty sure the large chimney is for the pumping engine, the plans we've got show the winding shafts on the Middlestown side of the pumping shaft if that is Thornhill Edge in the background (looking a lot more bleak then!) and that's definitely a pumping engine, I'd suggest the photographer is probably standing by the winding shaft - or very possibly on the headger of the same itself given the camera's elevation. The probable floor plan of the pumping engine (deduced from the photo) looks very similar to that of the Inman shaft engine house here at the museum, which is contemporary to that at Emroyd give or take and of course only a mile away. I was asked if the plans are available in the library or on line, you'd need to phone ahead a couple of days before coming as the plan store is on another part of the Museum site - the library's open Wednesday 13.00-16.00 and Thursday & Friday 10-12.30 & 13.00-16.00. I'd certainly be up for a walk around the common and if everyone wanted to decamp back to Caphouse afterwards for refreshments (unless the Reindeers calls!) I'd be happy to pull some of the material out for everyone to look at. IP: 217.34.209.206 |
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richard4496 Joined: 11/02/2012 View Profile View Posts View Personal Album View Personal Files View all Photos Send Private Message |
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Posted: 23/02/2012 15:29:55 Reply | Quote Here is a work-in-progress of my colouring in of a map that has been previously supplied and edited by "Yorkshireman" who highlighted mineral tracks, pit shafts etc. I'd like to use different colours for various features. Obviously for ponds, roads, footpaths etc. But what about mining features? I want to colour the pit shafts (say red). But what about the other mining features that you see in Emroyd Common? What should have it's own colour do you think? Rich IP: 81.102.97.135 Edited: 25/02/2012 12:41:11 by richard4496 |
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Yorkshireman Joined: 23/06/2011 Location: Hanover, Germany View Profile View Posts View Personal Album View Personal Files View all Photos Send Private Message |
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Posted: 23/02/2012 16:55:05 Reply | Quote Hi Richard, I think it's a bit blinding, to say the least - and to be honest, I think it's a lousy colour, too!! Sorry - tastes differ!! The first rule in my book for colouring maps is to use a subdued background "wash" (if at all) and then set highlights in contrasting - not necessarily bright - spot colours. Otherwise, what you're looking for just won't stand out. It would look much better if you used a light colour like beige - or if you really want "green fields, then something like a very light olive green with about 60% transparency - and perhaps a darker green with a similar transparency for woods. If you do want go the whole hog with colours - how about red dots for shafts, blue dots for air shafts, dark blue (almost black) for buildings, reddy-orange (the colour of the iron-water that tends to flow out of a some of them) for adits and drifts and black for tramways and railways - and maybe a different colour for inclines. But I think it's a lot more conventional to use symbols - I'm sure someone on AN can tell you which symbols mean what. I unfortunately only know the ones from oil & gas drilling, not from mining. But, whatever you do - please stay well away from large areas of bright colour fill!! It is absolutely counter-absolutely defeats the object. Cheers D. IP: 93.199.36.80 |
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Posted: 23/02/2012 17:21:37 Reply | Quote I was going to alter that overpowering green. I've just added another layer in paint, which is filled with white. I can adjust the opacity of that to make colours more pastle-i. My setup in Paint: 1st: (bottom) layer is colouring layer only 2nd white only (set to a degree of transparancy) 3rd: Map border lines etc, and text only IP: 81.102.97.135 |
ladder monkey Joined: 04/08/2007 Location: wakefield View Profile View Posts View Personal Album View Personal Files View all Photos Send Private Message |
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Posted: 23/02/2012 21:51:24 Reply | Quote On day off weds/thurs may go for a truge round the area with my new DSLR. Drove down Hostingly Lane today while at work and could see the old tram line that ran down from Smithy Brooke towards Go-Outdoors -- just blundering about IP: 87.112.140.247 |
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Cyril Maurice Joined: 13/10/2008 Location: West Yorkshire View Profile View Posts View Personal Album View Personal Files View all Photos Send Private Message |
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Posted: 23/02/2012 22:45:40 Reply | Quote If Weds or thurs next week could meet you and show you the bits I've found and a cuple of old shafts still visible. My e-mail is on an earlier post. IP: 2.125.233.8 |
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rikj Joined: 27/12/2008 View Profile View Posts View Personal Album View Personal Files View all Photos Send Private Message |
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Posted: 23/02/2012 22:46:21 Reply | Quote Yorkshireman wrote: But I think it's a lot more conventional to use symbols - I'm sure someone on AN can tell you which symbols mean what. I unfortunately only know the ones from oil & gas drilling, not from mining. The British Geological Survey (BGS) has a set of standard symbols that it uses. Although 99.9% aren't really relevant to this sort of thing, the ones for shafts and adits are. There is a PDF file of the BGS symbols available to download: http://www.bgs.ac.uk/downloads/start.cfm?id=303 Search for "shaft" and "adit" and the relevant symbols are grouped together. The adit symbol is particularly useful as it is oriented to give direction. HTH. -- |
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richard4496 Joined: 11/02/2012 View Profile View Posts View Personal Album View Personal Files View all Photos Send Private Message |
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Posted: 24/02/2012 09:59:52 Reply | Quote Talking about the map I uploaded: Strictly-speaking, all pits/shafts, adits, should be correctly indicated with the proper symbols. That will mean editing the original map. Which is okay, I can do that. I wonder also if the map should indicate whether the feature is currently observable. Some will be, some wont. I think my map ought to indicate that. Also, I wonder should there be some kind of nomenclature for pits/shafts etc, based on their GPS position. I don't have a GPS gadget though. IP: 81.102.97.135 |
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Isabel Gott Joined: 01/06/2010 Location: Huddersfield View Profile View Posts View Personal Album View Personal Files View all Photos Send Private Message |
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Posted: 24/02/2012 12:42:56 Reply | Quote Cyril Can you include me in next week either day to look round the pit. Roger -- RL |
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Yorkshireman Joined: 23/06/2011 Location: Hanover, Germany View Profile View Posts View Personal Album View Personal Files View all Photos Send Private Message |
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Posted: 24/02/2012 13:06:02 Reply | Quote richard4496 wrote: Talking about the map I uploaded: Strictly-speaking, all pits/shafts, adits, should be correctly indicated with the proper symbols. That will mean editing the original map. Which is okay, I can do that. I wonder also if the map should indicate whether the feature is currently observable. Some will be, some wont. I think my map ought to indicate that. Also, I wonder should there be some kind of nomenclature for pits/shafts etc, based on their GPS position. I don't have a GPS gadget though. Hi Richard, Wish I could join you all on a wander around the remains, but it's a bit too far from here. Things like "chronological uniformity", "absolute precision" and "conformity with standards and conventions" are things I soon allocated to the waste paper basket shortly after I started on my map, mainly due to the excessive extra work it would entail. After all, I have a business to run at the same time. The idea behind my "Big Map" is only to provide "best-estimates" of locations (i.e. no claim to accuracy of better than 100 metres), just to give an idea of where there could be (or is) anything mining-related from early as possible to the present day. That's also why the vintage of the background may change from block to block, although it's basically 19th Century to avoid too much in the way of contemporary housing developments that only clutter up the map. As my current (provisional!!) map already stretches from Emley Moor in the south, the outskirts of Wakefield in the east, is now moving up into Dewsbury in the north and beyond Huddersfield to the west - and is scheduled to go as far north as Leeds and Bradford - I will leave the ultimate details to you and anyone else who has the time and inclination to do it on the sections I'll be posting in the future. (Lepton & Flockton should be next) So, if anyone wants to use or modify my map, feel free. At the same time, I would, of course, appreciate - and add to my map - any significant corrections or location updates anyone can provide. Cheers D. IP: 93.199.63.143 |
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