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Strangely Brown Joined: 28/01/2009 View Profile View Posts View Personal Album View Personal Files View all Photos Send Private Message |
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Posted: 10/07/2011 20:48:31 Reply | Quote Just watched an article on BBC's Countryfile program demonstrating the gravity train. Will be on the BBC Iplayer for the next week, it's worth a look, item starts about 10 mins into the program. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/ -- The light at the end of the tunnel is just another mine explorer. IP: 81.131.178.48 |
Vanoord Joined: 28/11/2005 Location: North Wales View Profile View Posts View Personal Album View Personal Files View all Photos Send Private Message |
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Posted: 10/07/2011 21:40:24 Reply | Quote Looks like the Ffestiniog will be on Coast on BBC 2 in a couple of minutes... -- Filling space until a new signature comes along... IP: 86.134.22.234 |
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Posted: 10/07/2011 22:35:11 Reply | Quote Yep, they seem to have quite a bit of coverage tonight, I seem to recall there might just be some other railways in Porthmadog too. -- The light at the end of the tunnel is just another mine explorer. IP: 81.131.178.48 |
JohnnearCfon Joined: 22/12/2005 Location: Sir Caernarfon View Profile View Posts View Personal Album View Personal Files View all Photos Send Private Message |
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Posted: 11/07/2011 14:19:44 Reply | Quote This is the direct link (in HD):- http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b012mjv2/hd/Countryfile_10_07_2011/ The FR gravity train item starts at 04:00 IP: 92.26.182.125 |
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Posted: 11/07/2011 19:12:50 Reply | Quote This thread plus this recent thread; http://www.aditnow.co.uk/community/viewtopic.aspx?p=81720#msg81720 Throw in a bit of lateral thinking.  Edit: I look forward to the video. 
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Edited: 11/07/2011 19:19:03 by Morlock
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JohnnearCfon Joined: 22/12/2005 Location: Sir Caernarfon View Profile View Posts View Personal Album View Personal Files View all Photos Send Private Message |
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Posted: 11/07/2011 19:38:09 Reply | Quote It occurred to me several times that the Phase 4 of the WHR (Rhyd Ddu to Porthmadog) would have made a nice "unauthorised" run. Common sense prevailed unfortunately! I wonder what you could be charged with. Not stealing, if you used your own loco. Trespass isn't a criminal offence. Doubtless there is some antique bylaw you could be prosecuted under! IP: 92.26.182.125 Edited: 11/07/2011 19:38:57 by JohnnearCfon |
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Posted: 11/07/2011 21:45:52 Reply | Quote I'm sue the various regulations relating to railways and their management would provide ample choice.... -- Mongo only pawn in game of life ... IP: 173.171.77.201 |
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Posted: 11/07/2011 22:39:07 Reply | Quote JohnnearCfon wrote: ... Trespass isn't a criminal offence. My understanding is that trespass on a railway is a criminal offence. Dave IP: 195.137.87.110 |
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Posted: 11/07/2011 23:20:42 Reply | Quote davel wrote: JohnnearCfon wrote: ... Trespass isn't a criminal offence. My understanding is that trespass on a railway is a criminal offence. Dave Yes, you could be right there Dave! IP: 92.26.182.125 |
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Posted: 12/07/2011 01:10:30 Reply | Quote There may be room for some interpretation as I'm fairly sure 'The Railway Police' do not operate on private railways? IP: 82.26.199.167 |
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Posted: 12/07/2011 02:47:50 Reply | Quote Her Majesty's Inspector of railways covers ALL railways, and the regulations are the same. Anyway, the railways were denationalised a long while ago... so all railways are privately owned. -- Mongo only pawn in game of life ... IP: 173.171.77.201 |
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Posted: 12/07/2011 08:13:10 Reply | Quote We have a rail link to a landfill site passing right next to our mine. The town police take very little notice if we complain about rogue motorcycles or 4x4s. If they are also riding on the railway property and we complain to the Transport Police, they take it very seriously. I was told by them that they view someone with a vehicle on their track as attempting to commit murder of the train driver! IP: 95.148.25.136 |
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Posted: 12/07/2011 10:32:44 Reply | Quote staffordshirechina wrote: We have a rail link to a landfill site passing right next to our mine. Presumably that is part of Notwork Fail. WHR is not part of the national network and never was, so presumably different laws/byelaws/regulations apply? I am aware, of course, that it still comes under HMRI (now part of ORR). IP: 78.150.243.76 |
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Posted: 12/07/2011 11:10:55 Reply | Quote Don't know about that one. It would be interesting to have an official answer. Yes, the landfill link is 'ordinary' railways. IP: 95.148.25.136 |
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Posted: 12/07/2011 11:50:46 Reply | Quote JohnnearCfon wrote: ... WHR is not part of the national network and never was, so presumably different laws/byelaws/regulations apply? My understanding is that the Railway Bylaws http://www2.dft.gov.uk/pgr/rail/legislation/regs/railwaysbyelaws.pdf apply to all public railway in the UK. As I understand it railway bylaw legislation dates from the original railways established by acts of parliament - and there is no distinction between Network Rail and any other railway operator. It's possibly also worth noting that the The British Transport Police website http://www.btp.police.uk/ states "British Transport Police is the national police force for the railways providing a policing service to rail operators ..." which would suggest they include operators like the F&WHR in their remit. However, we do seem to be drifting away for mine exploration on this thread.  Dave IP: 195.137.87.110 |
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Posted: 12/07/2011 12:05:25 Reply | Quote My ignorance of the regulations and the enforcement of such has prompted a bit more lateral thinking. How might the law apply to Snowdon Mountain Railway, bearing in mind the almost daily mass trespass, lack of fencing etc. IP: 86.27.13.70 Edited: 12/07/2011 12:08:03 by Morlock |
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Posted: 12/07/2011 12:16:46 Reply | Quote I am still not sure that those regs quoted by DaveL apply to railways that were never part of the "British Railways Board", as reading through quickly it seems to refer to BRB several times. So, I would doubt they apply to SMR or F&WHRs although you might have the bizarre situation where it might apply between Caernarfon and Dinas. I have often thought it surprising that the FR is not fenced along the Cob! Still  
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