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Posted: 17/02/2011 09:40:47
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Following the server move there a few (minor) new features.

The first change is quite a big one. There's a completely new user registration and log-in / log-out process. It should now be much easier for new users to get registered, logged in and start using the site.

Other minor features include:

- Removed the URL button from forum posts, the forum will now (finally!) simply automatically link any web and email addresses entered into it.

- By popular demand the search and mine information page is modified so that 'Other Rock' doesn't appear anywhere.

Lots of improvements and fixes to come over the next few months Smile

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Posted: 17/02/2011 11:15:08
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It looks better now - I have tweaked a few South East sites so they display with names I like.

One extra thing if it isn't a big deal. What do others think about adding "pit" to the site type list?

Would this be a problem where contributors select "pit" instead of "mine" for underground locations, because I would like to use "pit" for a number of opencast chalk and sand sites, where at the moment "quarry" is the only realistic option.


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Posted: 17/02/2011 12:03:37
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Peter Burgess wrote:


One extra thing if it isn't a big deal. What do others think about adding "pit" to the site type list?


Here in the north most people take pit to mean a coal mine, so some room for confusion. No problem for regulars I'd imagine, but I can see well intentioned newcomers adding coal mines as pits.


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Posted: 17/02/2011 12:05:05
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Peter Burgess wrote:


One extra thing if it isn't a big deal. What do others think about adding "pit" to the site type list?

Would this be a problem where contributors select "pit" instead of "mine" for underground locations, because I would like to use "pit" for a number of opencast chalk and sand sites, where at the moment "quarry" is the only realistic option.


I think it will cause more problems to be honest! After all, surely pit is another name for quarry?
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Posted: 17/02/2011 12:43:52
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Well, suppose "pit" had been set up instead of "mine". You would have loads of places listed like

Smallcleugh Pit, or Snailbeach Pit because you had no choice.

For me, Sand Quarry grates on the ears just as much as Lead Pit does, when you would expect to hear Lead Mine.

FWIW, yes, there is a BIG difference between a pit and a quarry in the historical sense, and this is a mining history site, isn't it?

All the china clay sites are usually known as clay pits, aren't they? Surely our Cornish friends would prefer pit to quarry in that context?

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Posted: 17/02/2011 12:58:25
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Yes, true Peter to a certain extent, but the majority of places are known as quarries, adding an extra option will only cause more confusion and make serching more difficult! Coal being a good example! IP: 78.150.249.44
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Posted: 17/02/2011 13:23:41
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I agree with Peter on this one. there is a lot of differance between a quarry and an open cast mine

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Posted: 17/02/2011 13:49:00
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It's not for me to decide, but we must all point out issues as they affect us so they can be considered by everyone. I am not dictating what should be done, just pointing out something I would prefer to see.

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Posted: 18/02/2011 13:27:47
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JohnnearCfon wrote:

Yes, true Peter to a certain extent, but the majority of places are known as quarries, adding an extra option will only cause more confusion and make serching more difficult! Coal being a good example!


So what if the new type was "Pit (opencast)" ?

Would that remove the confusion?

We have Tramways/Railways, and Smelters/Blowing Houses, both of which one could say were less important distinctions?

I would rather see "Betchworth Chalk Pit (opencast)"

than

"Betchworth Chalk Quarry"

I'm not sure if the Betchworth Pit, when being worked, was ever really known as a "quarry", until it became a landfill site!

I fully understand how the type list came about, as a set that was pretty comprehensive for metal and coal mines and associated features, but the site has moved on to include any number of blockstone workings (quarries), sand workings, clay workings, and all of THEIR associated infrastructure, and I hope others welcome that as much as I do. So the type list is no longer comprehensive, and I hope that those whose primary interest lies in metal or coal mines appreciate this, and would be happy to see the database keep up with the entries made in it.

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Posted: 18/02/2011 16:06:46
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I have added Pit to the list of location types in the database now. It seems it is needed because it's more common for the term pit to be used in

Can I have some advice / concencus on whether this shoud simply be 'Pit' or 'Pit (opencast)'. The latter I think asks as many questions as it answers.

I can see collieries potentially being added as pits - which will confuse.

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Posted: 18/02/2011 16:44:57
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Strangely enough, when I lived in the area I always referred to them as Brockham Quarry, Betchworth Quarry etc and that goes back long before the Betchworth site was used for landfill!! IP: 78.150.249.44
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Posted: 18/02/2011 17:06:59
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I can see collieries potentially being added as pits - which will confuse.


That's the point I was raising, I'm not sure how it will work out. "Pit" is sometimes in the name of the mine, e.g. "Robin Hood Pit". And just to confuse further, a colliery often comprises several pits, all individually named.

For instance Rothwell Colliery consisted of Fanny Pit and Rose Pit.

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Posted: 18/02/2011 17:14:16
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rikj wrote:

simonrl wrote:


I can see collieries potentially being added as pits - which will confuse.


That's the point I was raising, I'm not sure how it will work out. "Pit" is sometimes in the name of the mine, e.g. "Robin Hood Pit". And just to confuse further, a colliery often comprises several pits, all individually named.

For instance Rothwell Colliery consisted of Fanny Pit and Rose Pit.


We'll just have to do the best we can! If errors get made then a regional editor will hopefully be alerted and can clear it up.

Pit is justified in my opinion.

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Posted: 18/02/2011 17:20:25
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Yes, quite agree.

The usage may vary slightly by region, but at the end of the day, a pit is a hole in the ground that stuff comes out of!

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Thank you, Simon. Let others discuss whether the word "opencast" might be added - I don't really have a preference either way, although I can see that it clarifies the particular reason why it might be selected for any relevant site.

Now there is no excuse for not adding the principal chalk, sand, fullers earth and clay pits of my area!


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JohnnearCfon wrote:

Strangely enough, when I lived in the area I always referred to them as Brockham Quarry, Betchworth Quarry etc and that goes back long before the Betchworth site was used for landfill!!
I expect you knew the quarry workings at Merstham as "mines"! Wink

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Posted: 18/02/2011 18:58:54
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Can we get some Nested Quotes? Pretty Please?

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Posted: 18/02/2011 19:13:06
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Me wrote:

I thinkMe again wrote:

have had them for agesNewStuff wrote:

Can we get some Nested Quotes? Pretty Please?


Or is that not what you meant?

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It is, but I must be screwing my syntax up... Never got them to appear before, hence asking for them.

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NewStuff wrote:

It is, but I must be screwing my syntax up... Never got them to appear before, hence asking for them.


Just click, hold select the text you want quoting and click the 'Quote' button

Or are you using Firefox (I have a long standing bug in Firefox to fix - it doesn't add the closing tags)

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